Joule Thief 101

[MileHigh]

Ok, I will answer on the other thread.

[Magneticitist]

What I find curious about the whole 'Ideal' scenario no matter how useful it may be in real world applications.. An Ideal inductor is said to dissipate or radiate 0 energy, so technically it only passes current by putting faith in Ohms law's ability to handle the number 0.

I would think that in an ideal voltage source, connecting to an ideal inductor, nothing at all would happen because the voltage cannot waver, and the lack of resistance in the inductor would cause an infinite current were it not for an ideal inductor being unable to dissipate energy. If it cannot dissipate energy it perfectly contains on faith, we cannot possibly observe this energy and it might as well be at rest with no charge.

So even in the fantasy realm of imaginary voltage sources and coils that are ideal, an inductor can do no work unless it actually becomes something we cannot call 'ideal'. further evidence against this paradox of passing infinite current at 0 resistance.

[MileHigh]

I would think that in an ideal voltage source, connecting to an ideal inductor, nothing at all would happen because the voltage cannot waver, and the lack of resistance in the inductor would cause an infinite current were it not for an ideal inductor being unable to dissipate energy. If it cannot dissipate energy it perfectly contains on faith, we cannot possibly observe this energy and it might as well be at rest with no charge.

I am just letting you know as a courtesy that you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.  Why don't you join Brad on the other thread and brainstorm with him and try to figure out the correct answer to what is actually a very simple question?  Two heads bouncing ideas off of each other are better than one.

[tinman]

What I find curious about the whole 'Ideal' scenario no matter how useful it may be in real world applications.. An Ideal inductor is said to dissipate or radiate 0 energy, so technically it only passes current by putting faith in Ohms law's ability to handle the number 0.

I would think that in an ideal voltage source, connecting to an ideal inductor, nothing at all would happen because the voltage cannot waver, and the lack of resistance in the inductor would cause an infinite current were it not for an ideal inductor being unable to dissipate energy. If it cannot dissipate energy it perfectly contains on faith, we cannot possibly observe this energy and it might as well be at rest with no charge.

So even in the fantasy realm of imaginary voltage sources and coils that are ideal, an inductor can do no work unless it actually becomes something we cannot call 'ideal'. further evidence against this paradox of passing infinite current at 0 resistance.

Well this could get confusing --we have Magluvin,and now Magneticitist
Are you the Magneticitist from IAEC?--if so,great to see you again.

Anyway,what would happen if an infinite amount of current was trying to be contained by an ideal inductor that cannot dissipate any energy?.


Brad

[Magneticitist]

I am just letting you know as a courtesy that you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.  Why don't you join Brad on the other thread and brainstorm with him and try to figure out the correct answer to what is actually a very simple question?  Two heads bouncing ideas off of each other are better than one.

I would love to join Brad in a brainstorming session, and no, I have no idea what I'm talking about with these ideal scenarios because they don't make much logical sense to me. Of course with your approach, your response would attempt to belittle those who disagree with altogether, alter, or misunderstand the teachings you earned your degree upon.  I feel like spending too much time pondering ideal scenarios would have me lose touch with how to manipulate tangible reality. You can explain how these ideal scenarios are a part of the foundation of basic EE study and I won't argue that, but you yourself, have even managed to turn an ideal scenario perverse in one of your spoon feeding sessions. I came here referred by a lidmotor video and I wanted to get peoples opinions, (yourself included), on the Joule Thief circuit he was showing in response to Brads video. I t became a filter session trying to find the information among some battle session over some mysterious question not being answered, or answered incorrectly.

Since Brad clearly has proven his knowledge in tangible works, some of which have been the most amazing tinker-creations I have ever witnessed, I would much rather brainstorm real-world scenarios with him, kind of like what the original topic of this thread was focusing on. Of course, so far it seems he doesn't need any help he's doing just fine holding his own weight.

I would rather not continue some shit slinging contest where you pretend as if anyone here that disagrees with you is bereft of any intelligence. I don't recall anyone ever actually trying to claim you are some fool who doesn't actually possess a highly respectable level of engineering knowledge. Your attitude seems to reflect that implication though and if you are going to put yourself in the position as some 'teacher', for 6 years to Brad for example, then even in your own admittance you have been a horrible stubborn abusively condescending teacher not even being able to convince a technically and mechanically inclined person such as Brad to gain some real knowledge from your lesson properly.

But anywho, back on the subject of the ideal scenario, you were stating some decline in voltage which I didn't understand. Is that supposed to make sense to me? If you have an ideal inductor that doesn't lose any energy in principle, how can it possibly relate to any real world scenario when the entire basis for no energy dissipation is a 0 resistance. How does something store infinite current then return it back? it MUST return it to an ideal voltage source being that an ideal voltage source has an infinite current in nature. These are two hypothetical things that logically cannot even work together to perform anything in actual reality even if they magically became a tangible reality because it would tear the fabric of our known physical world.

So, that statement was me providing my current understanding of the lesson given the provided information. Allow me to re emphasize, that was NOT me making some ridiculous attempt at claiming you are a fool and clearly have no idea what you are talking about. I would rather instead of you going to some other thread to bounce ideas off of 'other idiots', you remain here and attempt to convey your message in another route if so far the current approach is proving ineffective. This is because I do not consider you a fool with no idea what you're talking about.