Global Warming

[Azorus]

All I was suggesting is to stop throwing the accusations of NWO or any other cults crap and stick to the facts.  We still don't know if pres Oboma will sign or not.  And we still don't know what a final treaty will say.

[PaulLowrance]

ResinRat2,

The only scientific discussion in this thread based on objective data is *if* humanity is a major contributor to global warming. That is the only objective scientific discussion in this thread. All of this talk / hate about obama this & that and taking over the world is based on half truths that nobody ever cares to validate based on eyeballing analysis. That's not science, and it's so easy for people get mislead that way. I've seen videos of these conspiracy theorist talking as if it's a matter of fact. I'm a big fan of conspiracy theories in that I like to use such claims to find the higher truth, but we can't take such claims as fact, and preach it as fact.

IMO this thread is summed up in two words, Big Oil!

Paul

[Azorus]

Pual,

I agree with you in that they need to stick to the discusion, weather or not global warming is human caused or natural sun cycle.  We have argued back and forth for some time about it and while I still believe it is not caused by human activity, I have seen your charts and graphs that show that the increase in temperature have increased with the increase of fossil fuel products, but I am still not convinced because there have also been small cooling periods also shown in your graphs when fossil fuels where being used.  The thing that would convince me now as to weather it is human activity or not is during this solar cycle, when we are at a deep minimum, and temps keep rising.  I also agree with you that we should be proactive and clean up the energy industry regardless, but to Institute harsh restrictions that would cause more economic pain may not be the answer.

[PaulLowrance]

Pual,

I agree with you in that they need to stick to the discusion, weather or not global warming is human caused or natural sun cycle.  We have argued back and forth for some time about it and while I still believe it is not caused by human activity, I have seen your charts and graphs that show that the increase in temperature have increased with the increase of fossil fuel products, but I am still not convinced because there have also been small cooling periods also shown in your graphs when fossil fuels where being used.  The thing that would convince me now as to weather it is human activity or not is during this solar cycle, when we are at a deep minimum, and temps keep rising.  I also agree with you that we should be proactive and clean up the energy industry regardless, but to Institute harsh restrictions that would cause more economic pain may not be the answer.

Hi,

The problem is that people want to see immediate results, which is why people cry no global warming when the global temperature takes a dive for X years. This is called fluctuations, it's natural, and has always occurred since the beginning. Example of fluctuations is seen in this graph where the blue line is global temperature. As you can see in the graph, the global temperature has taken nose dives & also rapidly increases numerous times in this graphs time span alone. But that's not the trend, those are just fluctuations. The trend requires decades to see.

IMO most of global warming is caused by both humanity & natural cycles.

Regards,
Paul

[Azorus]

Solar cycles fluctuate too Paul.  Carbon and other greenhouse gases in the atmosphere fluctuate too, just not at as dramatic rates.  Hey there is another interesting thing to throw in the graph along with solar cycle, greenhouse gases.