Ultracaps tested for excess energy

[WilbyInebriated]

Message to Ist:

More like a few microns worth of gold coating on the connectors perhaps?  Chances are you have an unbelievably tiny amount of gold to harvest from your old equipment.  SOL!   lol

MileHigh

why are you responding to that post from a different thread in this one? ever heard of a PM? are you mental?

[Pirate88179]

@ tinu:

Quote from tinu: " 5. I was posting here because I’ve got enough nonsense. “Earth battery” is a non-free crap. Or, if you prefer, it is exactly as free as any other battery one can make without ever making use of Earth. Just use the damn magnesium, carbon and some electrolyte (water and salt, or just piss in it â€" you may be surprised; I’ve also heard that troll piss is better but hey, don’t take my word for it). Such a battery, built in a bare glass/container, will be smaller, cleaner and it will function wherever placed, even in outer space, if properly designed. So where is your “Earth” involved into that battery? Don’t bother; it’s rhetorical."

Well, this displays quite a bit of ignorance of the EER and how it works.  Go ahead, use the mg and carbon rods like you say, and then attempt to do what I can do and then, 2 years later, see if it is still working.  I already know the answer to that one.  Electrodes that are NOT in the earth can't tap or receive telluric currents, it is as simple as that.  I have dug my system up 2 times now, first after one year and, almost a year after that.  I have posted photos of my electrodes...guess what?  No degradation as Stubblefield has predicted. IF you had read of all of our work in this area, you might already know that.  To make comments and false observations and draw false conclusions as you have done without doing any research is really a waste of time.

So, go ahead and make your EER your way.  Try to light 400 leds or even just a single 48" tube.  I am waiting to see your results posted as well as your videos. Here is a clue for you, you do NOT want to add water as you suggest, the output is much higher when dry..all of this has been posted about many times now.

For anyone that wants to know how an EER works, just Google Nathan Stubblefield.  It is all explained in his patents and interviews.  Then, you can check out our many earth battery/EER topics here on OU.  Also read my topic on Tariel Kapandze who is getting over 100 kw out of the earth, yes for free, with his system.

Bill

[WilbyInebriated]

@ tinu:

Quote from tinu: " 5. I was posting here because I’ve got enough nonsense. “Earth battery” is a non-free crap. Or, if you prefer, it is exactly as free as any other battery one can make without ever making use of Earth. Just use the damn magnesium, carbon and some electrolyte (water and salt, or just piss in it â€" you may be surprised; I’ve also heard that troll piss is better but hey, don’t take my word for it). Such a battery, built in a bare glass/container, will be smaller, cleaner and it will function wherever placed, even in outer space, if properly designed. So where is your “Earth” involved into that battery? Don’t bother; it’s rhetorical."

Well, this displays quite a bit of ignorance of the EER and how it works.  Go ahead, use the mg and carbon rods like you say, and then attempt to do what I can do and then, 2 years later, see if it is still working.  I already know the answer to that one.  Electrodes that are NOT in the earth can't tap or receive telluric currents, it is as simple as that.  I have dug my system up 2 times now, first after one year and, almost a year after that.  I have posted photos of my electrodes...guess what?  No degradation as Stubblefield has predicted. IF you had read of all of our work in this area, you might already know that.  To make comments and false observations and draw false conclusions as you have done without doing any research is really a waste of time.

So, go ahead and make your EER your way.  Try to light 400 leds or even just a single 48" tube.  I am waiting to see your results posted as well as your videos.

For anyone that wants to know how an EER works, just Google Nathan Stubblefield.  It is all explained in his patents and interviews.  Then, you can check out our many earth battery/EER topics here on OU.  Also read my topic on Tariel Kapandze who is getting over 100 kw out of the earth, yes for free, with his system.

Bill

well said bill, thank you. i started to explain that in my response but decided it was a waste of my time and just called his statements what they were, a red herring logical fallacy.

[MileHigh]

As far as the earth batteries go, it's counter-intuitive to look at a slab of metal and think of it as chemical energy like a conventional battery.  However, when magnesium or aluminum oxidizes it produces electric current which you can capture.

I read somewhere that the production of aluminum consumes 10% of the annual electrical production in the US, which is a fantastic amount of electricity, or to be more precise, electrical energy.  I think that I also read that the production of magnesium requires even more electrical energy than aluminum per kilogram.

So the earth battery is primarily (I'm guessing > 99.9%) producing energy due to the reversal of the chemical/electrical reaction that produced it in the first place.  It's a very slow reaction and if you crunched the numbers for the amount of usage Bill got out of his slab of magnesium vs. the amount of corrosion observed, I am pretty sure that all of the numbers would add up.

Telluric currents in the ground result in something like 10 volts per kilometer... perhaps less?  So 10V/km means that the induced voltage in the ground is around 10 millivolts per meter.  If you put two stakes of the same metal in the ground one meter apart you would get 10 millivolts with a very high output impedance.  Really not much energy there and you would get a very very anemic JT response from that amount of available power.

That level of voltage in the ground would probably be buried in the background noise mix with other sources of electrical energy like thermal noise, power line noise, galvanic currents generated by other decaying matter, even minute voltages generated by the bodies of worms and other insects.  Granted it is DC and you should be able to see it anyways if you looked hard enough.

Telluric currents are simply a manifestation of solar energy, and a basic solar panel setup would give you perhaps tens of millions of times more energy than a basic telluric current energy extraction system anyways, so what's the point?

So the bottom line is that "earth batteries" are really batteries that get their energy from corroding metal.  It took a *massive* amount of electrical energy to produce the slab of magnesium or aluminum in the first place so the true source of energy for the earth battery came from the electrical energy used at the metal production facility.

If you want to do the full energy chain the earth battery's energy comes from the sun.

Solar energy -> plants -> fossil fuels -> electricity -> magnesium production plant -> corroding metal in ground ->  JT circuit ->  LEDs or charged capacitor.

I am not going to look it up but if you found out how many Joules of electrical energy it takes to make a one kilogram slab of magnesium you might be shocked.  Then equate that back to how many Joules Bill typically extracts from his earth battery per year, and you will probably conclude that Bill can get many more years worth of use from his earth battery.

MileHigh

[MileHigh]

Just to clarify this statement from Bill:

Try to light 400 leds or even just a single 48" tube.

The earth battery is charging his capacitor first, and then the capacitor powers the lights at a much higher current than the earth battery can sustain itself.

That's because the earth battery has a very high output impedance.  So there is a unknown statistic about the earth battery.  The stat is for 24 hours worth of earth battery energy accumulation, how long can you light up a single 48" fluorescent tube?  It would help to be more precise about the tube illumination level also because most JT setups that fire fluorescent tubes don't do it at full standard brightness.

Just keepin' it real.

MileHigh