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STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

Started by PaulLowrance, December 04, 2009, 09:13:07 AM

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gravityblock

Quote from: lumen on January 12, 2010, 09:25:58 AM
It was always over unity. Think of building an electric heater that converts 100% of the current into heat, but you have this rotor that performes additional work also.
So it's always been an over unity device, what everyone is trying to obtain is a self sustaining device.

When the dual magnets had opposite poles in my setup then I had almost 100% heat and very little KE (maybe 30 RPM at the most).  Then I changed the dual magnets to like poles and I have no noticeable heat coming from the coil and a lot of KE.

I'll stay with the like poles with more KE and little to no heat until I'm shown otherwise.  It will never be self-sustaining with opposite poles with all the heat losses and very low KE, lol.


GB
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

lumen

GB,
You still need to take into account that your setup is not like the operating Orbos. Your coils lay down horizontally and in your case this may be working better, but as Sean said, none of the replications use the Orbo effect.

mikestocks2006

Quote from: lumen on January 12, 2010, 09:25:58 AM
It was always over unity. Think of building an A that converts 100% of the current into heat, but you have this rotor that performes additional work also.
So it's always been an over unity device, what everyone is trying to obtain is a self sustaining device.
Yes.
If the system is proven overunity, to get to self runner, the collapsing toroid field after the mags departure, needs to be fully harvested and ready to use for the next pulse, PLUS any energy from the rotor rotation via e.g. pick up coils (as in the second “deck” that acts as a generator), these need to be fed back to the toroid on the next pulse.

What needs to be overcome:
Bearing friction losses â€"taken care off with use of magnetic bearings- minimized but not eliminated. There is still that small contact surface on top of the shaft. Air drug losses, -increasing as rotation speed increases- but can be minimized with aerodynamic rotor design and as many time mentioned before enclosure inside a vacuum chamber.
Then you have mc effect, magnetostriction, resistive elements losses, inductive core losses, eddie currents etc, a long list

If all these can be properly measured (including a thorough detailed error analysis), accounted for and controlled to optimum levels, then both the ultimate question of excess energy creation, and a self runner will be answered.

gravityblock

Quote from: lumen on January 12, 2010, 10:41:21 AM
GB,
You still need to take into account that your setup is not like the operating Orbos. Your coils lay down horizontally and in your case this may be working better, but as Sean said, none of the replications use the Orbo effect.

Sean made that statement before I and others released their videos.  Do you really think they have seen every replication of the Orbo on the internet?  Do you really think everyone has published their work on the Internet?

I already addressed this issue with a single toroid.  It performs better horizontally with this single toroid.  I am speculating that it will perform better vertically with many toroids.  Also, almost everyone was/is using higher voltage and lower amps and very few were using dual magnets at the time of that statement. 

I am heading in the other direction by trying lower voltage and higher amps.  I have a good feel on what is happening here.  If you got involved in replicating, then you could do more in 1 day than I could do in a week here because you have a very good work bench.  What a waste of good work space.  I am sure you will replicate after everyone else does the hard work and lay all the answers in your lap.


GB
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

PaulLowrance


Steorn demo to start in 30 minutes, right? It's now 4:30PM GMT, and it starts at 5:00PM GMT.

So far it seems cam1 is the only one showing something.