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STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

Started by PaulLowrance, December 04, 2009, 09:13:07 AM

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k4zep

Quote from: gravityblock on January 12, 2010, 01:58:07 AM
I decreased the power input by 75% and it still runs around the same RPM.  It does take it much longer to reach top speed and has a very slow spin up, but this was expected.  I no longer have the anomalies after reducing the input energy with my webcam or TV.  Everything is fine now.  :)


GB

Running the motor @ the minimum current that produces max rpm is obviously the best and most efficient point in operation of the motor, anything more makes the resistance in the wire just a good heater which is not a bad idea for all the cold we have here in Florida.....
Very good observation.....

Ben


BEP

Quote from: mikestocks2006 on January 12, 2010, 07:27:17 AM
and yes the external magnets can be  of the same polarity facing the toroid.

Magnets mounted with the same polarity and separated by the toroid width (toroid Z axis facing the magnets) will both attract to the nearest point on the toroid during approach.
As they pass over the toroid more torque is created because the two separate attractions are the same polarity and will forcefully separate (because they are the same polarity) as the field lines seek the outer diameter of the toroid.

If the above proves experimentally then the nulling pulse needs to start when the magnets are exactly center of the toroid and end before attraction begins at the next toroid.

gravityblock

Quote from: k4zep on January 12, 2010, 07:52:45 AM
Running the motor @ the minimum current that produces max rpm is obviously the best and most efficient point in operation of the motor, anything more makes the resistance in the wire just a good heater which is not a bad idea for all the cold we have here in Florida.....
Very good observation.....

Ben

It's running with 12v @ 300mA right now.  Spin down time was 90 seconds with this power input while Spin down time with 75% more power input was 100 seconds.  I guess this would be a 10% drop in RPM's using 75% less input power.  I would like to decrease the voltage and raise the amps.  I have a feeling more amps will saturate the core faster allowing the magnets to get closer to TDC for additional speed gains and shorter pulse widths.  This should allow it to be even more efficient with less input energy with a faster spin up time and higher RPM.  I'm not sure about this, but I'm going to play around with it.  The Orbo does seem to be running on very low voltages with more amps, so I think this is the right direction to take.


GB
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lumen

Quote from: mikestocks2006 on January 12, 2010, 07:27:17 AM
If this statement holds true - measured and proven experimentaly -, then the system is Overunity.
Even if it takes the same exact energy to rotate randomly oriented domains, as the partially oriented, to the same final alignment, then it still is Overunity, the rotor movement is the free (energy) ride. The "final" alignment, breaks/or reduces the original attraction to the magnets so the rotor is allowed to rotate. Higher pull as it comes in, less/or zero pull as it leaves.
The partially aligned domains will be due to the external magnets, and yes the external magnets can be  of the same polarity facing the toroid. Also discussed in another thread.
Thanks
Mike
It was always over unity. Think of building an electric heater that converts 100% of the current into heat, but you have this rotor that performes additional work also.
So it's always been an over unity device, what everyone is trying to obtain is a self sustaining device.

interestedinou

Quote from: lumen on January 12, 2010, 09:25:58 AM
It was always over unity. Think of building an electric heater that converts 100% of the current into heat, but you have this rotor that performes additional work also.
So it's always been an over unity device, what everyone is trying to obtain is a self sustaining device.

I think that is exactly the case.

If you put in one unit of energy you get that unit out as heat PLUS another certain amount of energy via rotor KE.

It might be easy to get 20% or 75% the rotor KE you would need to close the loop and self sustain. But it might be difficult to get 100% the KE you would need to self sustain. Also, 100% the KE you would need to self sustain would not be enough due to losses in using pick up coils.