STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

[htert2020]

Hello,

I have a basic question about Orbo and other overunity magnet devices: Won't the magnets degrade over time, according to how much work they've done?

This appears to be a common objection that skeptics have for overunity magnet devices in general.  The argument is that there is potential energy stored in the magnets; and as the magnets perform work, their potential energy decreases until such energy is completely degraded over time, thereby requiring a costly recharge of the magnet.  The energy required for the recharge, the skeptics argue, would be greater than or equal to the excess usable energy produced by the overunity device, and therefore it isn't a free energy device.  The analogy would be that the magnets are like a battery or capacitor with stored potential energy that is released as it does work.  Is there any truth to this argument?

I know that magnets degrade over time due to temperature, external magnetic influences, and sharp impact.  But those factors can be safely ignored from this argument because they don't depend on the amount of work done.

I suppose that the skeptics' argument might be right if the microscopic domains within the magnet are misaligned as it is doing work; or if the electron spins and/or orbital paths are modified in some way.

In the recent Steorn presentation, the presenter (named Sean, I believe) said that the total measured energy in all the magnets in the device was only 2.3 joules. That figure seems totally bizarre to me because to recharge a magnet, you need something on the order of 1,000,000 watt/seconds of energy for a time period of 10-30 milliseconds. I've acquired these numbers from a website article written by a professional scientist. Sean's stated 2.3 joules of energy is, by comparison, a very tiny amount of energy that can only move an object a distance of 2.3 meters using only 1 newton of force. And that's enough energy to recharge the magnets? Or am I missing something? I am assuming that Sean's concept of "total energy stored in the magnets" is the recharge energy. After doing some math, I figured that the total energy to recharge a magnet (of typical strength) to be tens of thousands of joules of energy. According to Sean, the Orbo's measured output during one experimental run was 21 kilojoules.

This is my only concern with Orbo and any other magnetic overunity device. Sure, they may appear to produce overunity but are we figuring in the depletion of the stored energy of the magnets?

I do not know much about magnets (except that I have done very well in my college Physics courses) and I am hoping that my above concerns are invalid.

Can someone please shed light on this issue?  Thanks in advance.

P.S. I am sure that I understand exactly how the Orbo works, and I can say with certainty that the energy that drives the Orbo is coming from the rotor magnets and only the rotor magnets. That is why this issue is very important to me.

[htert2020]

Suppose you took a toroidal ceramic magnet off the back of a speaker and neutralized it's field using a strong neodymium magnet so it has no real polarity remaining.
Wrap it with some heavy magnet wire to make an Orbo coil core that can retain it's field.

Now when the rotor magnet is at TDC, you would apply a large pulse and magnetize the core in a circular path around the core. This will leave the core in a state that will not be attracted by the rotor magnets since it is essentially the same as a loop of magnets placed end to end and the field is self consuming and contained.

At this point the rotor magnets will now continue on without further power or with reduced power to the core's coil.

The problem is , now the approaching rotor magnets will also not be attracted, until they get into a range that overcomes the contained field and breaks the self attraction within the core. (at least they are not repelled)

The Orbo is a pulsed device, meaning that the toroidal coil will be de-energized when the previous rotor magnet has moved, for example, about 45 degrees after top dead center (TDC).  At that moment, the incoming rotor magnet will be -45 degress away from TDC.  Because the toroidal coil is now de-energized, the incoming magnet will now be attracted to the ferrite toroidal ring, thereby causing rotation of the rotor.

So I'm not sure I see what the problem is, exactly. This is how many standard electric motors work.

[lumen]

The Orbo is a pulsed device, meaning that the toroidal coil will be de-energized when the previous rotor magnet has moved, for example, about 45 degrees after top dead center (TDC).  At that moment, the incoming rotor magnet will be -45 degress away from TDC.  Because the toroidal coil is now de-energized, the incoming magnet will now be attracted to the ferrite toroidal ring, thereby causing rotation of the rotor.

So I'm not sure I see what the problem is, exactly. This is how many standard A motors work.

@htert2020

  That is the presumed normal operation, we were looking at an additional effect that may or may not be playing a part in the orbo operation.

I was simply exaggerating the effect in an attempt to reveal some answer, since many times if you push a small concept to some limit, you can find the problem or solution.

[gravityblock]

Here's something that hasn't been discussed here, Gapped Toroids.  I haven't seen any evidence of the toroids in the Orbo having a small gap, but if the gap is very small, then the windings could cover this small gap or the small gap could be filled in with a non-magnetic material and we wouldn't know it.  The small gap in the core would face the magnets at TDC.

Tape drives do have a gap in the record/playback head which is a gapped toroidal coil.  I'm not going to push this until I see evidence pointing in this direction, but it's always a small possibility the toroids in the Orbo are gapped and could be the missing link to this puzzle.  I'm just throwing this idea out here and I'm very neutral to any discussion it may spark.

GB 

[rice]

192 pages.  hmmm...  can any of you guys see this for what it is yet.  perhaps an efficient pulse motor.  any company who says they are not in the business of manufacturing a device of their own invention that would change the world,  something wrong there.  "no thanks,  i dont want to be the richest man on earth"  o/u is out there im sure.  but once again ladies and gentlemen,  steorn does not have it....