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STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

Started by PaulLowrance, December 04, 2009, 09:13:07 AM

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Omnibus

Quote from: broli on June 29, 2010, 07:46:55 AM
Lol what a stupid mistake, here's the corrected one..

Now it confirms the 7mA value.

@broli,

I'm speechless. This shows that all these decades we have had OU ingrained in the very essence of the theory of circuits and no one saw it. This deserves utmost attention. Thanks for this great applet.

Will wait for @teslaalset to see how he will implement this finding in his Excel approach.

broli

@Omnibus, Can you remove the capacitor and show a scope shot of the current multiplied by the voltage trace, your scope should be able to do this. I would like to know wether the power wave is above or below the zero line. This again should tell us what's up and down. I'd appreciate it.

Omnibus

Quote from: broli on June 29, 2010, 08:33:07 AM
@Omnibus, Can you remove the capacitor and show a scope shot of the current multiplied by the voltage trace, your scope should be able to do this. I would like to know wether the power wave is above or below the zero line. This again should tell us what's up and down. I'd appreciate it.

@broli,

As expected:

broli

Quote from: Omnibus on June 29, 2010, 09:03:06 AM
@broli,

As expected:

Yes this is a good reference now. Any negative averages are real negative values.

There's something else that hasn't been discussed as far as I know. Average value of current and voltage. If dealing with ideal sine waves these should be 0 but from the inductor data you gave me the averages are non zero. I still have to think of how this should be interpreted.

Omnibus

@teslaalset,

This whole thing should be done purely analytically. Suppose we are given the analytical expression for a voltage of 15.6V amplitude, changing at 700kHz frequency applied to an RC circuit with R = 99.5Ohms and C = 115pF (I'm taking these values to distinguish between numbers and they are closer to my data). The question is what will be the analytical expression of the current which the standard theory gives, based on the given expression for V with the given R and C?

Once we have the analytical expressions for V and I we can compare the product VI with the product I^2R and will get a purely analytical proof for OU, based on the well established circuit theory. Not to say that we know the reality of this OU has been experimentally confirmed.