STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

[MileHigh]

K4zep:

I am slowly catching up on the thread and this statement by you caught my eye:

IF the mechanical energy coming out of the motor and expended in the generator is more than the equivelent electrical energy to power the toroids , then we have OU, if not, just another pretty motor

Please keep in mind that there is no mechanical energy coming out of your motor or Steorn's motor.  You often see Bedini enthusiasts running their motors and talking about the mechanical energy output also.

To be very sobering, any motor that is not connected to a mechanical load is outputting zero mechanical energy and is 0% efficient at turning electrical input energy into mechanical output energy.  Watching it spin and knowing that it is overcoming bearing resistance and air resistance simply does not count.

What would count would be to connect a thread to the shaft and have a pulley setup where the motor could lift a weight up at a certain speed.  That would be a real mechanical output from the motor.  The caveat is that the rotor has to be running at a constant RPM when this is being done.  If the rotor is decelerating when this is being done, then you are just extracting stored up rotational energy from the moment of inertia of the rotor itself, and that doesn't count.

MileHigh

[k4zep]

Hi Ben,

How did you put the magnets? All North, all South or alternating?

Alex.

Hi Alex

I have mine all NNNNNNNNNNNNN but SSSSSSSSSSSSSS should work.  Actually as it will run the same way on opposite current flow, I suspect it would work on a N S N S N S...............Funky isn't it!!!!!

Respectfully
Ben

[Groundloop]

Ben,

Thanks. :-)

Alex.

[k4zep]

K4zep:

I am slowly catching up on the thread and this statement by you caught my eye:

Please keep in mind that there is no mechanical energy coming out of your motor or Steorn's motor.  You often see Bedini enthusiasts running their motors and talking about the mechanical energy output also.

To be very sobering, any motor that is not connected to a mechanical load is outputting zero mechanical energy and is 0% efficient at turning electrical input energy into mechanical output energy.  Watching it spin and knowing that it is overcoming bearing resistance and air resistance simply does not count.

What would count would be to connect a thread to the shaft and have a pulley setup where the motor could lift a weight up at a certain speed.  That would be a real mechanical output from the motor.  The caveat is that the rotor has to be running at a constant RPM when this is being done.  If the rotor is decelerating when this is being done, then you are just extracting rotational energy from the moment of inertia of the rotor itself, and that doesn't count.

MileHigh

Hi MH,

Absolutely dead on on ALL your observations above.  In JLN's motor, there is significant power being expended at 2500 RPM due to bearing drag and air loading. Until we get some better motors built with multi-toroids and multi magnets, I won't be convienced yet as to what we really have here or not.  You could load JLN's with a prop and use a prop torque/thrust program to calculate simple output that would be close especially if you geared it up 2 or 3 to 1 to get the prop up to a good speed.  Time will tell when the good builders get theirs going, get a prony brake on it and leterrip......Now if they have a lenzless or no drag generator, that would be something but that has yet to be shown and think there is no mention of that from Stoern.

Respectfully
Ben

[k4zep]

K4zep:

I am slowly catching up on the thread and this statement by you caught my eye:

Please keep in mind that there is no mechanical energy coming out of your motor or Steorn's motor.  You often see Bedini enthusiasts running their motors and talking about the mechanical energy output also.

To be very sobering, any motor that is not connected to a mechanical load is outputting zero mechanical energy and is 0% efficient at turning electrical input energy into mechanical output energy.  Watching it spin and knowing that it is overcoming bearing resistance and air resistance simply does not count.

What would count would be to connect a thread to the shaft and have a pulley setup where the motor could lift a weight up at a certain speed.  That would be a real mechanical output from the motor.  The caveat is that the rotor has to be running at a constant RPM when this is being done.  If the rotor is decelerating when this is being done, then you are just extracting rotational energy from the moment of inertia of the rotor itself, and that doesn't count.

MileHigh

Again, I agree totally.  The weight bing picked up is one way to calculate it.  An even simpler way would be to add a generator coil/s, rectify, filter, put in a resistive load which could be varied and from several points or measurements develop a curve of the demonstrable power output of the device.  A simple Prony brake would also work.  Its all in the details for sure.

Respectfully
Ben