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STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

Started by PaulLowrance, December 04, 2009, 09:13:07 AM

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Omega_0

The power measurements done by TK do not prove or disprove anything, that is not the correct way of measuring efficiency, so no need to take them seriously. But I'm happy that this is the first time someone has done something useful with his rig.

He has taken an arbitrary measurement. This is just one point on the curve. In fact he has shown that loading the rotor will not change the input power, this is significant, IMO.

His cores sizes are 10x that of steorn's , so they may take 10 or 20 amps to saturate (if they don't catch fire before that). He has not shown the saturation, after which no amount of increase in input current will increase the RPM. But, and this may be the secret of OU here, increasing the magnet strengths will go on increasing the torque, without there being any need to increase the input, which will anyway be wasted in heat. This motor is not linear, it is unlike anything you have seen.

The optimal condition to measure efficiency would be when the input is just enough to completely saturate the core and duty cycle is minimum for max rpm. Then measuring the torque with a torquemeter or prony brake will give the optimal output. This output/input will be the correct efficiency.

If it is below 100%, simply adding stronger magnets should increase it hopefully, perhaps, if there really is something .........

I have more respect for the fellow with a single idea who gets there than for the fellow with a thousand ideas who does nothing - Thomas Alva Edison

lumen

@Ossie,
How about winding the big toroid coil on a slinky!
Should reduce the eddy currents.

gravityblock

Saturation is important but it's not the key.  One of the keys is how fast it can be saturated.  The faster it can be saturated the closer the rotor magnets can get to TDC before the pulse is needed.  The closer it can get to TDC before the pulse, the bigger the speed gain is from the magnets being attracted to the core.  The closer it can get to TDC before the pulse, the shorter the pulse width needs to be.  Shorter pulse widths means less input energy.  This means you need less energy to saturate the core.

The core material (magnetic viscosity) and how fast the power source can deliver the current (the rise time in the current) both have a direct affect on how fast the core can be saturated.

Less input energy to saturate the core (shorter pulse width), bigger speed gains (closer to TDC before the pulse), using Newton'ts Third law with the dual magnets having like poles to cancel the CEMF and defeating Lenz on both the approach and departure of the rotor magnets when the flux is not fully engaged inside the core during the rise time in the current all adds up to OU.

Yes, I am suggesting Steorn is legit.  This is my current position at this time.  This is a really simple and brilliant concept.  This is so beautiful.  It's a nearly perfect system.


GB
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

PaulLowrance


Steorn's second talks / demonstrations on analyzing if Orbo Electromagnetic Interaction is COP> 1 will takeplace at 17.00 GMT on Tuesday, 12th January 2010.

captainpecan

Quote from: PaulLowrance on January 11, 2010, 10:33:37 AM
Steorn's second talks / demonstrations on analyzing if Orbo Electromagnetic Interaction is COP> 1 will takeplace at 17.00 GMT on Tuesday, 12th January 2010.

Awesome, I have that day off of work!  Now if he would turn the sound on for the live cams would be really good!