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STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

Started by PaulLowrance, December 04, 2009, 09:13:07 AM

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Airstriker

Quote from: PCB link=topic=8411.msg222046#msg222046 A=1263392345
Where do you believe the excess energy is coming from (2nd law)?
Is there a transfer from the neo's on the rotor (allbeit very small, motor would run a long time)?
Therefore Will the rotor neo's ultimately be depleted?

What are your thoughts?
To answer this question we first need to know what really causes the Inductance value to change. This should leed to the answer.
But what you gone like is this:
A mechanical analogy to the provided equation is a body with mass M, velocity v and kinetic energy (M/2)v2. A change in velocity (current) generates a force (an electrical voltage) proportional to mass (inductance). So what we do have here is in fact an analogy to the change of mass!

gravityblock

Quote from: teslaalset on January 13, 2010, 09:00:57 AM
Naudin has posted a new coil test on inductance of his latest rig.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww-F5MfWSGA&feature=sub

He shows also quite high values in Henries near 1 H.
As far as he indicated he uses ferrite as coil material.

In my view Steorn just uses simple ferrite cores.
Ferrite is able to handle high frequencies and has a permeability of around 4000.
Mumetal is not able to handle fast switching without significant losses as far as I am informed correctly.

Quote from: teslaalset on January 13, 2010, 09:29:21 AM
I based my observations on his first setup:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/steorn/html/steornv1en.htm
He stated:

I used 2 ferrite toroidal cores made by Philips (purple color), reference 4C65-RK190. Outer diameter: 23.6 mm, inner diameter: 13.4 mm, height: 7.6mm. Permeability: 120, specific inductance Al = 87.

The first quote you say ferrite has a permeability of around 4,000.  The second quote from you quoting Naudin says his ferrite cores have a permeability of 120.

Something with this is not right either.
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

teslaalset

Quote from: gravityblock on January 13, 2010, 09:38:32 AM
The first quote you say ferrite has a permeability of around 4,000.  The second quote from you quoting Naudin says his ferrite cores have a permeability of 120.

Something with this is not right either.

Gravity, there are many varieties of ferrite around. Sorry, I should have mentioned that.

gravityblock

Quote from: teslaalset on January 13, 2010, 09:43:10 AM
Gravity, there are many varieties of ferrite around. Sorry, I should have mentioned that.

120 is not around 4,000.  So, now you are saying ferrite doesn't have a permeability around 4,000 because of the different varieties?  You're statement was saying all ferrites have a permeability around 4,000.  Don't be giving statements that gives a near constant, when it is variable.  Especially when the variable is large.

Should I now question if all varieties of ferrites are able to handle high frequencies?


GB
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

Airstriker

Quote from: teslaalset on January 13, 2010, 09:27:45 AM
As long as he hasn't revealed the materials, it's guess work.
The fact that he has a patent on magnetic viscosity doesn't prove he applied them in the Orbo.
Then try to explain Sean's words: "we are modifying time frames" in other terms.