STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

[captainpecan]

@ Paul,

Is there a reason you keep assuming there is only one layer or turns on those toroids?  You keep mentioning 24 to 34 turns or so max...  If inductance is what they are after, why would they do that?  Why wouldn't they have as many layers as the core would allow, and as many turns as possible for the chosen wire size?  Looking at these cores are very difficult to make any determination, but with such a tiny hole in the middle of their coils, they either started with an overly fat toroid with barely any hole in the middle, or they added layers and layers of turns.

When I look at the toroids, I do not see a core between the windings.  This indicates to me that there is at lease 3 to 4 layers at a minimum to totally cover the core material.  I think the black color you are seeing is simply shadow of the wire windings.  When I look at my coils they look exactly the same way, but I have 1500 turns on mine.

Bottom line, it's still a guess anyway.  But I'm just curious why you feel there is only 1 layer to use 24 to 27 turns in your equations?  We would see quite a bit of core showing if there was only 6 turns every 90 degrees on that core.  I'm of course not doubting your thoughts on the core material, that looks like pretty promising stuff.  Just the turn numbers you are using for your equations.  But that of course is just my opinion.

[PaulLowrance]

@ Paul,

Is there a reason you keep assuming there is only one layer or turns on those toroids?  You keep mentioning 24 to 34 turns or so max...

Because you can see the spacing between the wires, and there's nothing but black material underneath the wires.

If inductance is what they are after, why would they do that?

It's not about inductance, but about how much energy is require to saturate the core, and these ultra high permeability cores require almost no energy to saturate them. I have a bunch of these cores. I've tested them before.

Why wouldn't they have as many layers as the core would allow, and as many turns as possible for the chosen wire size?

Sean keep repeating how level they need to current to be. A 2nd layer of wiring would add significant capacitance. Maybe it's too much capacitance. How am I to know until I try it. Or maybe Steorn just wanted to make it look simple, which Sean has made very clear that's what they want.

When I look at the toroids, I do not see a core between the windings.

I see a black core, which btw is the same color as the Metglas MAGAMP cores, black plastic.

Bottom line, it's still a guess anyway.  But I'm just curious why you feel there is only 1 layer to use 24 to 27 turns in your equations?  We would see quite a bit of core showing if there was only 6 turns every 90 degrees on that core.  But that of course is just my opinion.

I don't think it's a guess. I looked at the zoomed photo of the core, and counted *all* the way around the core. I counted 37 turns. If that was a MAGAMP core, the permeability matches, okay.


So the permeability matches. The color matches. I see one layer of wires.

And these cores are so inexpensive, a few dollars.

[NerzhDishual]

Well, when you figure in the fact that Steorn keeps saying that Orbo does not work from pulses pushing or pulling the rotor.  Then it makes sense. 
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Like we've been discussing, they are simply cloaking the core from the magnets so that the magnets cannot attract to them for a short time.
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According to CaptainPecan and as far as I can catch it, Steorn should have discovered an efficient mean/trick to electrically "switch off" one magnet during a short time...
This switching is done without lost/braking (Lenz effect). If it is the case, it actually makes sense and is very very promissing. Is it not?

Now, would it be that steorn had previously discovered another (but, perhaps, 'capricious'?) mean to mechanically  'switch off' a magnet (magnetic field).
Actually, the first claimed Orbo was an all-magnets device.

Please consult this Steorn (McCarthy) patent :
http://www.freeenergynews.com/Directory/MagneticMotors/Steorn/US2006066428A1.pdf
Abstract:
A low energy magnet actuator allows magnetic fields to be turned on and off using a small amount of energy.
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[PaulLowrance]

Please consult this Steorn (McCarthy) patent :
http://www.freeenergynews.com/Directory/MagneticMotors/Steorn/US2006066428A1.pdf
Abstract:
A low energy magnet actuator allows magnetic fields to be turned on and off using a small amount of energy.

That spells ultra high permeability.

[captainpecan]

It's not about inductance, but about how much energy is require to saturate the core, and these ultra high permeability cores require almost no energy to saturate them. I have a bunch of these cores. I've tested them before.

Now I'm confused.  I understood that the higher the permeability, the MORE it takes to saturate it.  I'll go check into it again, maybe I'm wrong.