STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

[onthecuttingedge2005]

do you even know why looking into a system with no moving parts is viable? do you realize you can eliminate so many violations in physics by merely paying attention.


no moving parts! pay attention!

[gravityblock]

do you even know why looking into a system with no moving parts is viable? do you realize you can eliminate so many violations in physics by merely paying attention.


no moving parts! pay attention!

This thread is about the e-Orbo.  There is a solid state Orbo (ssOrbo) with no moving parts in another thread.  You're right though, a solid state solution is much better and it's being worked on also.

To talk about a wheel inside a wheel that doesn't turn (Ezekiel's wheel) is for the ssOrbo thread.  When the wheels rose from the ground, the creatures rose also, because they were inside the wheels and the wheels didn't turn.  The rims were high and awsum and had eyes all around the rim.  The wheels sparkled like chrysolite.  I had to throw Ezekiels wheel in here, since this is what you're referring to or at least something along these lines.

GB

[gravityblock]

First image is on the M-H Curve from Steorn's presentation (Slide 10).  Second image is on the M-H Curve from the magnetic recording tape.  The first two images are a perfect match.  The third image is showing the two-linear portions on the M-H curve for the magnetic recording tape.  The third image is also a perfect match for the linear curve shown as the dotted line in the first image from Steorn. 

Please note, the third image is showing both linear portions and the first image is only showing one linear portion of the curve.  It's a perfect match if you only take one of the linear curves of the third image and match it with the dotted line in the first image.

GB

[penno64]

Hey All,

From a newbies point of view -

the tape drives as stated may well be in reference to the need to be able to flip the magnetization of the write head in a hurry. Just how long do you guys think a one bit or zero bits length is. uh huh

Yes, I know it is transitions of magnetic flux.


Regards, Penno

p.s. Is the material we are so keenly seeking similar to the material used in a read/write head ?

Did anyone watch Bedini's second video on the zero force motor where, he winds his own cores using a piece of pvc and this "TAPE" ??

[Omega_0]

The ideal condition would be for the permeability to be highest when the magnet is approaching, to remain near the top of the permeability curve until the magnet is very close. IOW, it should still not be completely saturated until the pulse is applied. So the saturation flux density should be higher than what can be provided by the magnet alone. The Metglas saturates too easily and can almost be completely saturated by the magnet alone.

Higher Bsat will also provide for greater attraction force and torque.

0c

I agree completely here. Good explanation.

In SeanM's own words - "Core material is not important for the orbo effect, any material will work as long as it is a soft ferromagnetic material". (Quoting from memory, you will find the exact words on steorn forum).

So changing materials will only change the design parameters, like input currents and output torque. A particular material will not guarantee OU, there is no magic recipe, only a magic combination. Arguing is good, but too much of it is a waste of time and confuses the newcomers. 

IMHO, one should stick to ranges around 1 Amp or so, just like steorn, because at uA and fraction of mA the instruments don't behave and will not show correct readings, which means you will miss the OU, even if its there or worse, you will think there is OU when there is none. Having big enough input and output boosts confidence.

It doesn't matter if your orbo takes 100 Watts, as long as it is giving out 110 Watts. Our aim is energy production not energy saving. Don't try to minimize the current, try to maximize the output.