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STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

Started by PaulLowrance, December 04, 2009, 09:13:07 AM

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Omnibus

@broli,

I've tried it with a Faraday cage and it doesn't seem it's picking up anything extraneous. I'm concerned about it picking up something from the pulse generator itself and such. Like I said, more studies are needed in this region.

broli

Quote from: Omnibus on June 16, 2010, 09:56:25 AM
@broli,

I've tried it with a Faraday cage and it doesn't seem it's picking up anything extraneous. I'm concerned about it picking up something from the pulse generator itself and such. Like I said, more studies are needed in this region.

Get a a large box from some mall and buy some aluminum foil while you're there. Completely cover it and put as much of the setup in it  :P .

Omnibus

One weakness of the current studies is the fact that the Ohmic resistance R is not a subject of direct measurement but its value is assumed at any frequency to be what it is at 0Hz. Unfortunately, it is not possible to measure R on the fly, that is, while the experiment is running. However, the real (dissipative) component of the impedance is not known to be frequency dependent and if claims are put forth that it is, these claims have to be sustained by experimental evidence. In this respect, it may be mentioned that the comparison of the voltage drop across metal-oxide resistors (10 and 100Ohms) divided by their respective resistances showed no discrepancy with the measurements taken with the current probe at frequencies of up to at least 1MHz. This proves that at least the Ohmic resistance of an active resistor is not frequency dependent. Of course, one may object that coil with a core constitutes a different system and there may be a purported frequency dependence of R. However, as noted, such claim must be proved experimentally.

Another concern would be the eventual appearance of capacitance at higher frequencies, which would enable the current to flow along an alternative reactive path, bypassing the Ohmic resistance. Therefore the acceptance in this study that the dissipation is I^2R would be an overestimation. Against such supposition is the fact seen in the figure I already posted of the phase shift reversal, whereby the inversion of the phase shift, the current leading the voltage, which is an indication of capacitance action, is observed at frequencies as low as 9kHz which is far below the 190Hz where the overunity effect begins to appear. Also, as seen, overunity as a function of frequency goes through a maximum as the ostensible capacitance effect (the reverse phase shift of current versus voltage) decreases. All in all, proposals to explain away the observed effect by such mechanisms would only be acceptable provided that direct experimental evidence is presented and are not offered as just assumptions or surmises, as they would be at present. Therefore, as of this writing, no experimental evidence available for the frequency dependence of R or for current taking an alternative path but through the active resistance, accepting the state of the art approach, namely that I^2R is the power produced, as is done in the present study, seems the most plausible. In seeking independent ways to resolve the above issue conclusively one may propose applying calorimetry. Calorimetry will resolve the issue conclusively only in case the result turns out to be positive, that is, the measured heat is more than the input energy. A negative outcome from the calorimetry will not be conclusive because the possibility still would remain that the effect is at the expense of cooling of surroundings.

Omnibus

Quote from: broli on June 16, 2010, 09:59:09 AM
Get a a large box from some mall and buy some aluminum foil while you're there. Completely cover it and put as much of the setup in it  :P .

That's exactly what I did yesterday (earlier I was putting it in a metal candy box). I got a metal trash bin from Walmart and a metal gauze from Lowe's to cover the top. Will repeat the experiment at those frequencies with that but maybe not today because I have some other things to take care of. In any event, I'll report, as usual, what I'm finding.

And, again, how are we to guarantee that even while in the Faraday cage it isn't picking up noise from its own wires and components?

broli

Quote from: Omnibus on June 16, 2010, 10:08:08 AM
Calorimetry will resolve the issue conclusively

Or closing the loop. I'm interested on how well this anomaly scales up. I'm sure you answered this but I couldn't find it, what type of transformer are you useing, sillicon steel laminates? And what is the turns ratio?