Mostly Permanent Magnet Motor with minimal Input Power

[Magluvin]

Was working on some things with Zeropoint132 some time ago, and from that, he produced this video. It should relate to what is being discussed here recently.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbFqVh7GdGk

Mags

[gotoluc]

Hi Mags,

do you know how the coil is wound?

Luc

[Magluvin]

Hi Mags,

do you know how the coil is wound?

Luc

Hey Luc

Quadfilar, if that is the correct term. 4 individual wires wound at the same time.

tested 1 wire first, 2 in series second, 3, then 4 in series. Each time he added a coil in series, there was more mechanical output, while decreasing input.

YT doesnt have pm anymore. Wish I could go through those msgs to recall our conversations on that.


Mags

[gotoluc]

Hi Mags,

okay I see

The problem with Zeropoint132 test is similar to what I was trying to tell synchro some posts back.
If you wind a coil with many wires together, 4 in this case, the coil ends up being 4 times the size. So now if you energized only one wire all the other stands cause 3 times more space between the energized wire turns and weaken its magnetic field since the turns are not concentrated and as close together as possible.
I'm quite sure if you took the same length of wire and wound it alone in a nice Brooks coil the magnetic field would be stronger then it being spread out like that.
So to me his test is not valid unless he had made a single coil to disprove this possible problem. Better yet, he should of had 4 individual single filar coils and place them one after the other to prove there's a benefit.

Come to think of it, my first Super build test 1 uses one of two strand is possibly suffering of the same problem ... I'll need to recheck that!

Hope you understand?
Let me know if this makes sense

Luc

[Magluvin]

Hi Mags,

okay I see

The problem with Zeropoint132 test is similar to what I was trying to tell synchro some posts back.
If you wind a coil with many wires together, 4 in this case, the coil ends up being 4 times the size. So now if you energized only one wire all the other stands cause 3 times more space between the energized wire turns and weaken its magnetic field since the turns are not concentrated and as close together as possible.
I'm quite sure if you took the same length of wire and wound it alone in a nice Brooks coil the magnetic field would be stronger then it being spread out like that.
So to me his test is not valid unless he had made a single coil to disprove this possible problem. Better yet, he should of had 4 individual single filar coils and place them one after the other to prove there's a benefit.

Come to think of it, my first Super build test 1 uses one of two strand is possibly suffering of the same problem ... I'll need to recheck that!

Hope you understand?
Let me know if this makes sense

Luc

Yep, I know exactly what you mean.  He and I had some conflict there back then. But there were other aspects that I could not deny that were discussed in pm and I cannot read them any longer.

But the tests I proposed were to make a single wire coil of the same volume, and also a single wire coil with wire the length of 1 of 4 strands of the quadfi.  The latter would compare to powering a single wire of the quad. I was into some other experiments at the time and didnt replicate. So these things need to be tested.

Either way, it does relate here as someone who had performed tests as being done here and I thought you guys might like to see. 

Mags