Recreating Besslers Wheel

[Ken the Great]

Willy, I wouldn't worry too much about seeing a demonstration.
I sure wouldn't show you.

Unless of course everything was hidden from view. Then I would probably show you, hmm, the underside of my dogs tail. hehehe



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[Ken the Great]

Bessler's earlier wheels were said to be 4inches thick and 4 - 5 ft. in diam.  Do you think your wheel could be built this thin?

Also from the AP:

"In a true Perpetuum Mobile everything must, necessarily, go round together. There can be nothing involved in it which remains stationary on the axle." - pg 361


Would this rule out the drum?

Except for the statement going around together, everything else fits.

If you look back I have repeated

"If the device used to push the weights to the axle on the ascending side is stationary, the device WILL NOT WORK!"

The thickness is not really an issue but yes, a precision build could be about 4 inches thick.

As I said I believe once you have enough pieces in place, this allows other aspects to have several different designs. However after reading that clue, a simple modification to the low drum would cause it to rotate together with the outer drum. of course at a different speed.

This is an easy modification. The concept remains the same.
ALL parts must move. Stationary parts cause massive power losses.

Great clue though, I will come up with the modification when I get the chance.



"Physicists define stress as force per unit area. The rest of humanity defines stress as physics."

[overtaker]

At what point do you expect the weight to shift to the perimeter?  Thanks

[Ken the Great]

overtaker,

I would say you could release the weight to head towards the perimeter at 12:00. I would not expect it to hit the perimeter until 1:00 or later because of the rotation of the wheel.



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[Cloxxki]

When I think about time in a gravity wheel, it's a simple wheel. Around the clock descending, along the axle ascending. Same height, but schorter route up. The inertia along the outside it built over a longer time than it takes to power itself to reach back the top exchanging iniertia for height. There's a 9% time gain to be exploited there, in a frictionless world.
Now, I don't see how an ascending weight could do useful work on the wheel other than get itself back to the top, and quickly so. Anything it does for work, kills height to be attained by a lot.
Descending though, I can see multiple weight being in line, heavily hampered by a load. The mechanism would build up a mechnical capacitor (spring/lever/parallelogram) and shoot up weights all the way back to the top, one by one. Sounds simple, but obviously isn't, as mathemetically there is no gain until it's appointed by someone.

In the simple "ascend along the axle" I like this idea, I'll just throw it out.
2 weights,
Always a positive start speed for weight at 12:00 as well as for the wheel itself.
Second weight at 180degrees.
Wheel is being bump-started to get to working rpm
Top speed for weights at 6:00, inertia of weight being greater than potential required to reach top
Inside line (off the wheel) taken towards 12:00, at higher angular velocity than the wheel.
Weight reaches top early (gain rim distance on wheel) with some spare velocity left, which is where any gain would be harvested.
As the ascended weight is "early" (a couple degrees), the rim and bottom weight are not at top speed just yet.
Each weight would need it's own freewheel I now see, connected by a form of clutch. Angular gain in the one wheel would be transferred to the other to re-sync.