Magnet motor in Argentina

[Jdo300]

Hi Everyone,

Dan LaRochelle found this link to a site in Argentina that appears to have a working magnetic motor. There aren't any videos of it but there are some photos of it. The inventor, Walter Dar?o Torbay, filed for a patent in Argentina in August, 2004 but I haven't been able to track it down just yet. But apparently there is something to this because of all the press coverage this guy has been getting. I?m hoping we can dig up more information on this motor. Just from looking at the pictures it appears to be extremely simple in design although I can't seem to figure out the polarity of whatever is in the rotor disk. But from one of the photographs, you can clearly see that the stator magnets all have their north poles facing towards the rotor. That is all I managed to dig up for now. Here's the link to this website (it's in Spanish by the way).

http://club.telepolis.com/LICYTA/

God Bless,
Jason O

[Jdo300]

Here's a picture of the motor from the site:

[Jdo300]

Here are some more pictures of the motor:

There are a few more pictures on the site but these are some of the more interesting ones. I also found a link to a forum (in spanish again) where an explanation of how it works is posted. Here's the link:
http://www.hispaseti.org/foroWanaH/viewtopic.php?t=3314&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

I also ran the post with the most relevent info through BabelFish translator for us non-spanish speaking people. It's pretty rough but gets some of the basic concept across:



"... OPERATION principle (IT WILL TRY TO EXPLAIN IT SO THAT SOMEBODY NOT VERY INTERIORIZADO IN the FIELD OF SCIENCE IT CAN INCLUDE/UNDERSTAND FACILMENTE.)

Firstly we must remember the reaction that produces between if two faced permanent magnets, acercandolos there are two effects that can be produced:cuando the poles are different are attracted and when the poles are equal reject;Es this I complete efecto(the rejection of equal poles) the used one for the operation of the invention. Added to the this cuts in way magnets to turn aside the lines of magnetica force being able with these ultimos to control direction, speed and acceleration.

If we obtained that two magnets are rejected and one remains inmovil whereas the other can desplazarce this I complete always tendera to desplazarce towards the position with smaller influence by ricochet magnetico.Bien obtaining that a rejected magnet moves to a later position to which it is, this at a first moment it is not rejected and after reaching this position another magnet is replaced mecanicamente forcing it to desplazarce again to another position where another magnet is replaced again forcing it to continue moving and and repeating the reposicionamiento of magnets a continuous movement is obtained. It is possible to clarify that so that the reposicionamiento of magnets is not necessary the external application of energia since we used same energia magnetica stored in own magnets

The acceleration,el direction of rotation and the speed are controlled by means of different variants in the angulos and cuts made in magnets, those that allow to turn aside the lines of magnetica force according to agree.

LLEVER FORM IT To CABO

The invention consists of two types of pieces: main and several secondary ones.

The main pieces are the rotor arm, the elevables arms and the magnets and the secondary pieces are the screws, rulemanes, bases, etc; that they are used for the subjection, disminucionde friction, estetica, etc.

First we are going to establish some variables: the rotor arm (br) has a starting point which we will call Pn, the magnetica force by ricochet generated by the rotor arm sera Z1 call on the other hand in the external ring we will name to each I modulate elevateable like M1, M2, M3, etc and to its respective magneticas forces by ricochet like F1, F2, F3, etc.Es essential to consider that forces Z and F estan directly related to the size of magnets and the composition of such, of which we ended up deducing that Z=F+F+F=3F.

The angulos of cuts (alpha) in magnets of the modulos elevanles podran to be varied according to agrees to control acceleration magnetica friction, and speed. To knowledge that as we increased (alpha) the friction magnetica sera greater, the greater sera initial acceleration and the constant speed sera minor, whereas if alpha diminishes the initial acceleration sera minor and the constant speed increased.

The angulos of cut (beta) and location of these in magnets of the rotor arm permitiran to control direction of rotation.

The variation produced in the angulos of cut in magnets (alpha and beta) allows the deviation of the lines of force so that when increasing the angulos of cut in anyone of these the deviation of the lines of considerably greater sera magnetica force hacercandoce but to the poles whereas when diminishing these angulos the lines of force were turned aside in inverse form

The variable Q represents the opposed forces in which we included friction, friction, gravity, weight, etc.En the starting point (P1) the rotor arm is in rest generating on the other hand Z1 by mecanico system M4 rises reason why its by ricochet magnetica force does not influence the rotor arm; it is possible to clarify that the rest of the Ms estan all losses. As Z1 is rejected with F1, F2, f3 and also part of F15, f16 we managed to obtain a by ricochet magnetico force that we called X and that sera equal to Z1+F+F+F=X clearing the equation On the other hand we have left X=F+F+F+F+F+F=6F Fq=F we concluded in which X>>>F4 (F4 is the F generated by M4) (we clarified that F4<F due to its displacement and which X>>>Q reason why we forced to the rotor arm to desplazarce towards the position 2(P2), by mecanico system low M4 and M5 rises repeating all the previous process,de this way the rotor arm moves (Pn+1) X=6F-F4-Q=4+ infinitely

Observations: all the external forces of friction, friction, weight and others estan contemplated in Q.Los magnets must be permanetes with high temperature of courie so that the possible overheatings do not degrade their condition of magnet.

On the other hand the continuous circular movement and the rejection of poles favor and allow to maintain their magnetica condition conserving including the original poles.

Explanations: all the F originally calculated in Gaussian, ademas single the Ms and the end of the rotor arm is permanent magnets, the rest must be material not magenticos(aluminio, bronze, magnesium, etc). The F internal must be the sufficiently intense ones like so that great magneticos fields they do not include in the good operation of the invention... "



God Bless,
Jason O

[Jdo300]

Here's some more tidbits of info. I think I know how this works now after reading this...

DEAR FRIEND
THE USED FORCE SO THAT IT TURNS THE ROTOR ARM IS THE MAGNETISM LOCKED UP IN MAGNETS PERMANENTES.COMO PRODAS TO SEE IN THE VIDEO CONSTANTLY ARE 8 MAGNETS THAT ARE FACED.
ARM ROTOR(THE ONE THAT TURNS) HAS 4 PERMANENT MAGNETS WITH ITS ORIENTED NORTH POLES TOWARDS EXTERNAL ARMS ELEVABLES, ARMS ELEVABLES As well HAVE IN ITS INNER END PERMANENT MAGNETS WITH ITS ORIENTED NORTH POLES TOWARDS The ROTOR ARM, THIS WAY THEY ARE The 8 MAGNETS THAT ARE UNDER The EFFECT BY RICOCHET OF EQUAL POLES ESTA ENERGIA IS MUCH GREATER THAN The NECESSARY One TO ELEVATE ONE OF EXTERNAL ARMS ELEVABLES INDIVIDUALLY. When ELEVATING ONE OF The ARMS WE OBTAINED THAT REJECTION MAGNETICO IS SMALLER IN THAT ZONE REASON WHY ROTOR ARM TENDERA TO TURN TOWARDS WHERE The HIGH ARM RECEIVES MINOR REJECTION,AL TO REACH THIS POSITION IS RELEASED And LOW BY EFFECT OF MEANS WHILE The LATER IMMEDIATE ARM IS ELEVADO.DE THIS WAY WE OBTAIN A CONTINUOUS CIRCULAR DISPLACEMENT RECORDEMOS THAT INVESTIGATIONS CIENTIFICAS HAVE DEMONSTRATED THAT The PERMANENT MAGNETS THAT THEY ARE UNDER The REJECTION OF EQUAL POLES THEY ALMOST CONSERVED ITS PROPERTIES MAGNETICAS WITHOUT ALTERATIONS DURING APPROXIMATELY BETWEEN 5000 And 50000 YEARS (DEPENDING On the MATERIAL WITH WHICH The PERMANENT MAGNETS ARE MADE)
With respect to BECAUSE The MOVEMENT HE IS NOT UNIFORM (SOME ARMS RISE MAS And OTHERS LESS) ARE Because The CUTS MADE IN The MAGNETS LAMENTABLY ARE NOT PERFECT,YA THAT ARE VERY DIFICIL TO CUT THEM ALL EQUAL Ones (WHATEVER IT FINDS TRIED TO CUT A PERMANENT RARE EARTH MAGNET WITHOUT ALL NECESSARY TOOLS SABRA To THAT I TALK ABOUT) OF EQUAL EAST WAY DEFECT NoncImpidio THAT The DEVICE TURNS EQUAL.
IF OBSEVAN the DEVICE THAT THIS FILMED IN THIS VIDEO NOT THIS CONNECTED To NINGUN DEVICE (DYNAMO, alternator) WITH THE PURPOSE OF TRANSFORMING the MOVEMENT INTO BRIEF ENERGIA ELECTRICA.EN WE WILL RAISE to VIDEOS IN WHICH IF THIS APPLIED WITH THAT AIM, ademas WE HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT PARTICIPATING IN ALL the FAIRS and EXPOCISIONES OF SCIENCE THAT ARE MADE IN ARGENTINA, reason why SOON the PODRAN SEEING Live

ON THE OTHER HAND WE IN NINGUN MOMENT HAVE REQUESTED MONEY DE DONE WE HAVE RECEIVED INFINITY OF VERY IMPORTANT SUPPLIES ECONOMICAS WHICH THERE ARE RECHAZADO.EL UNICO REASON BY WHICH WE ENTERED To THIS FORUM IS WITH The AIM TO PRESENT INFORMATION CIENTIFICA WHICH WE HAVE And TO SHARE IT WITH WHOEVER RECEIVING IT,NO IS OUR INTENTION TO WIN To ESCEPTICOS NOR TO ENTER POLEMICA WITH ANYBODY
THERE ARE DIRIJIDO To YOU WITH RESPECT And ALWAYS WAITED FOR EQUAL TREATMENT.
ATTE WALTER TORBAY
(INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATIONS CIENTIFICAS And TECNOLOGICAS)

[hartiberlin]

Can somebody, who understands spanish language,
please post a short summary in plain english how this thing works ?
Many thanks.