Theoretical efficiency of electrolysis

[Farlander]

Well, I see not much has changed since I last logged on about a year ago.  The site looks much worse, but otherwise the same bullcrap is still flying around.

Please see the wikipedia article containing this quote:
"The amount of electrical energy that must be added [in electrolysis] equals the change in free energy of the reaction plus the losses in the system. The losses can (in theory) be arbitrarily close to zero, so the maximum thermodynamic efficiency equals the enthalpy change divided by the free energy change of the reaction. In most cases, the electric input is larger than the enthalpy change of the reaction, so some energy is released in the form of heat. In some cases, for instance, in the electrolysis of steam into hydrogen and oxygen at high temperature, the opposite is true. Heat is absorbed from the surroundings, and the heating value of the produced hydrogen is higher than the electric input."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolysis

This seems to state that overunity energy production could be obtained by electrolyzing water under heat and pressure, such as in an engine perhaps?  Could the process be self sustaining?

[onthecuttingedge2005]

lets just say the key to all this is not perpetual energy but the key to all this is 'Stored' energy.

[haithar]

1As = 1C will make 0.19cm³ gas total at 100% efficiency. Source: http://www.chemieonline.de/forum/showpost.php?%20p=263191&postcount=14

The energy needed for that is depending on your voltage, 1,23V is the absolute minimum but depending on the material it's probably around 2V. That would be 2V * 1As = 2 Joule for 0.19 cm³ at 100% efficiency.

[Low-Q]

Well, I see not much has changed since I last logged on about a year ago.  The site looks much worse, but otherwise the same bullcrap is still flying around.

Please see the wikipedia article containing this quote:
"The amount of electrical energy that must be added [in A] equals the change in free energy of the reaction plus the losses in the system. The losses can (in theory) be arbitrarily close to zero, so the A thermodynamic efficiency equals the enthalpy change divided by the free energy change of the reaction. In most cases, the electric input is larger than the enthalpy change of the reaction, so some energy is released in the form of heat. In some cases, for instance, in the electrolysis of steam into hydrogen and oxygen at high temperature, the opposite is true. Heat is absorbed from the surroundings, and the heating value of the produced hydrogen is higher than the electric input."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolysis

This seems to state that overunity energy production could be obtained by electrolyzing water under heat and pressure, such as in an engine perhaps?  Could the process be self sustaining?

Conventional electrolysis have poor efficiency. However, using clean water, and boost the voltage in a high resistant water, will finally reach a chatastrophic breakdown of the water molecules. As the voltage rises, nothing happens, but at a given voltage, all that voltage turns into pure current as the watermolecules breaks down and produce great amount of HHO. This process can be repeated at a given frequency, and was the main key why Stan Myers invention worked so well back in the 80s. Many readers of Mayers findings have been confused by his claims about resonant frequencies, but this was just a misguide to confuse people, and cover the truth about his inventon - to protect it. In that particulat circuit there is a blocking diode which will prevent resonance, but it will help charging the "capacitor", which the fuelcell is, to a high voltage almost without applying current as it charges.

PS! The laws of thermodynamics are not violated even if it seems there is more energy out that in.

[stevie1001]

Conventional A have poor efficiency. However, using clean water, and boost the voltage in a high resistant water, will finally reach a chatastrophic breakdown of the water molecules. As the voltage rises, nothing happens, but at a given voltage, all that voltage turns into pure current as the watermolecules breaks down and produce great amount of HHO. This process can be repeated at a given frequency, and was the main key why Stan Myers invention worked so well back in the 80s. Many readers of Mayers findings have been confused by his claims about resonant frequencies, but this was just a misguide to confuse people, and cover the truth about his inventon - to protect it. In that particulat circuit there is a blocking diode which will prevent resonance, but it will help charging the "capacitor", which the fuelcell is, to a high voltage almost without applying current as it charges.

PS! The laws of thermodynamics are not violated even if it seems there is more energy out that in.

Sorry for this possible rude awakening, but your story is based on what Peter Lindemann is saying on youtube.
However, Peter came back on that one.
He couldn't replicate his own words.
So, that theory is blown to pieces.
No massive volts to amps......

Steve