Electrical igniter for gas engines A keystone to understanding by Magluvin

[woopy]

Hi Mag the king and all

Ok i have tested the new BELIEVE CIRCUIT for some hours now on the sim and than in reality and i got always the same ... that is really over unity efficiency in the transfer.

OK but now i notice that all the discussion is going or will be glued around that bloody formula   1/2 x C X V^2. Or other sayd multiplying the Capacity of the cap divided by half and  with the Voltage squared.

In all my knowledged experiments this kind of formulas are the same and works very fine for  all DYNAMIC systems  and are relative to KINETIC energy. I mean a constant flowing current , or air  or water flow ,etc     creating a constant work

But we are not dealing with a dynamic system here. we are dealing with a multiplied static system.

i mean that we consider that the cap is charged wit a given energy. which is a POTENTIAL energy.
And we will use this potential energy once after  once , as a pulse motor to engage at each pulse , the full power of  the freewheeling effect.

So the energy stored in the cap follows the potential energy laws and not the kinetic laws.

That means that the Voltage is not SQUARED  .

So the potential energy (at the beginning of the process) is  the capacity of the cap multiplied by  the potential difference (voltage) and that's all.      NO SQUARING OF THE VOLTAGE.

And if the use  of  this potential energy  is able  to create an increase in the potential energy of the receiver cap....... thank's the freewheeling effect .......there should be is a gain or what ?

And do not forget that we are not working continously but by pulse.  We recreate at each pulse a new static situation, from which we can reactivate the OU frewheeling efficiency.

If i am right with this theory, i revendicate the rhigt to eat the feet of king Magluvin the first

And always a lot to think about.

I insert a crude drawings of my thinking about kinetic and potential system and of course subect to all dicussion.

But until further real contradiction i will stay with King Magluvin idea .  But there is always the risk that the the ISNOGOOD tries  to be CALIF at the place of the Calife

@ Forest

Yes good idea

And of course if the circuit is really 200 % OU and much more as i could experiment, we will have to try a mean to reconduct the "gain"  voltage back to the source cap or the battery, or we will be fired  by this severe and impitoyable community  and sent back to school for an indifinite time :-[

Do not worry i like risk

good luck at all

Laurent

[Magluvin]

montek

Thats something we are trying to decipher.  ;]  Lets say IF there are some things in physics that may have been modified by THEM, maybe we can figure it out. We are running into things that seem a miss.
You are welcome to comment and contribute anytime. ;]

I admit, I dont know everything and have forgotten some. But I have this "what if" mentality on things. Sometimes I see things going on even though I may not fully get the whole picture. This is why if we all come together and have a collective mind, we can probably lick this bugger.  ;]

Forest

The added inductor you have with the resistor. The resistor is set at 100ohm.  I would figure it to be maybe less than 1/2 ohm, for ideal purposes. My big coils are 2mh and they are .45ohm. So if that 100ohm resistor is representing the ohm value of the new inductor, then that may be the problem you are seeing with inconsistencies. Unless you have a 1mh coil on the bench and it also reads 100ohm. I dont think so though. ;]  Woopys 220mh is 2ohm and the other coil on his transformer was some henrys, dont remember, but 19ohm I believe. So make sure that resistor is correct then try comparison again. I got stuck on that situation also before. so its ok, we all make mistakes and we are all here to help each other across the street as we get in our old age. =]   ;]  Keep on keepin on Forest. It is all a great help, and I enjoy the company.  ;]

Woopy

This is good stuff you are bringing to light and I need to get myself in the know on these things too. 

Nulpoints calculations got me flustered. I really have to get my joules together here and know these calculations myself.  I have never really had to do any calculations of energy in caps in the field, so now I have to.

This is good stuff guys. For how simple this all appears, I dont think we will have to go on for years before we figure out if we can make this work or not. There isnt a whole lot more ground to cover, as I think we are half way up the hill.  ;]

We may have to try some igniter experiments also, as woopy did in the shorting cap circuit, just to cover all bases in this scheme.
Lets work this one out and then go to that as needed.  ;]

Ok, I need a showwa and dinner, then it will be a Friday night working on this. 

Mags n Friends   ;]

[woopy]

Hi Mag

do not be  so shy

you just did open the  PANDOR box  and it wortks....!!

now wake up

your circuit is awsome


and it is a breakthrough

do not worry

you will be killed

but i am, with you

big laugh onother time 

good luck at all

laurent

[Magluvin]

hey Woopy

I really hope they will kill me. That is the proof we need.  lol

Im cooking some dinner. After I am going to dig in and see if we can configure to get an output that is of common voltage, like 15v in the receiver cap to run a 12v neon transformer, small one, 45ma idle and with AV plug.  Im gunna try to loop this thing. I will do some tests on the sim to get things the way I want.

If we increase the receiver caps uf, the voltage will be lower but more charge stored. So the voltage will already be converted to a useful potential for common purposes.  ;]   Thinkin

I was pleasantly surprised that the sim can show ou effects.
Do you know what that means?  No aether energy needed, no energy from the vacuum. Because Im sure that wasnt programmed in there. ;] Ive always had the opinion that we could do this purely with circuitry. Maybe some setups get energy from the outer limits. I didnt believe it and thought that it was just a reason to describe what they really just dont understand. But I think here we are solid and self contained.

Thanks for the boost of confidence. And glad to have good people on this team.  ;]

Back in a bit.

Mags

[Magluvin]

"As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain; as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality." - Einstein

Does that fit here?  ;]

Mags