Electrical igniter for gas engines A keystone to understanding by Magluvin

[forest]

Maybe it's not different flow around circuits, Loner, just we use parts and arrange them to use original flow to kill the source 

What is the reason of dropping voltage across resistor ? heat generated ?
What I believe is crazy and I cannot prove it.
I believe that we are using the original energy flow to set an opposite dipoles in circuits which affect power source (either by chemical reaction or by lenz law).
Electrons are just small magnets which flips by this energy flow and generate whatever we wish and has nothing to do with killing the source dipole.They are just here and always ready to pass energy in chunks while flipping either magnetic side or electric.Unfortunately the only tip which points to that is Mr. Dole work and Don Smith schematic.While in area of "not killing the dipole" Don schematic shows a resistor divider without loosing power inside resistors.That's the only explanation I found for Don Smith method of lowering voltage down in output side of his device. I think Dole could confirm that using HV resistors divider.

And finally when we are using that original power without killing it we would be happily able to pass it in circle.Like my neverending thought about : "what is going on with electricity returned back to power station?".

[Magluvin]

hey Loner

Lol  dont take my post as me arguing with you. ;]  It may have seemed that way. What I am saying is for everyone that reads it.  ;]

I will stick to just the inductors flywheel idea for now and Ill get back to losses and things later.  My statements on losses and where the energy went if not to the cap, is all based on if any of the circuits energy were actually converted to another energy(inductors production of mag field) then the gain must be just magical. But if the circuit doesnt consume(lose) energy in the production of that field(flywheel), then that can explain why we got more out, because we produced that field for free, and the circuits reaction to that field build was just a lengthened time period to charge the cap due to impedance(changing resistance and or "negative resistance").  =]   Just a theory is all Im presenting.

I read in a thread here the other night, dont remember which, but someone stated that when it comes to inductors and transformers, information is a little on the light side. I agree.  I yahoo searched inductance. I found that answers.com had a few definitions from different sources.
http://www.answers.com/topic/inductance

They are not all coinciding informations. What is the truth? What is all the confusion?  Well im determined to find out. ;]

Think about it. If tesla had invented a transformer in 1890 that was capable of more out than in, but all we ever seen is transformers that ALWAYS pull more in than out, even with no load  , I say there is a coverup.   And if that is so, what else do we need to question?  Im asking some of those questions, whether they are absolutely valid yet, time and testing will tell.

Im like everyone else. If we have a gain, where did it come from? And maybe the answers are not necessarily from the vacuum or aether. maybe it is just a function that common physics does not describe. And probably most or all people into physics, just go by the book and never notice anything otherwise.

Woopys latest test where he charges a cap from the source and uses that cap in the Believe Circuit as a source, leaves us with something to be considered.
We now have a finite amount of energy as the source in that cap, and we still obtained a gain. Did we lose anything?
Im not saying losses do not exist.
What I am saying is, some things or functions just might not be or have a loss as we might think from what we are told. ;] 

Im going to get into some bench work this evening and try not to post long non understandable information for now. I may be premature as to anything that I have stated. But consider it all just theories at this time.

Stick around Loner. I think it will sink in as we go.

I think your catching on forest. ;]

Mags

[forest]

inductance = flywheel or spring valve (a valve having a rotor inside or a spring with a piston inside) - can oscillate naturally (inertially) or forced
capacitance = elastic bag - can oscillate when pressure ratio in and out is specific to the elasticity and size
resistance =  valve which can also resonate if flow speed match the resistance of valve (like water in fast opening valve)
voltage= pressure of ether flow
current = amount of ether chunks flowing in time or just amount
electrons = small standing waves having both magnetic and electric side at 90 degrees


correct me and comment 

IMHO There is no need of COP>1 , COP=1 is enough if we learn how to compress flow before load and decompress when flowing throught the load back to the source. Load effects are not connected to source dipole energy but are alone produced by electrons.Crazy,yeah I know....

And a question at the end ; what will happen if I connect a capacitor charged to higher voltage to the battery in series (+ - + -) and load across both ? Will charge equalize ?

[woopy]

Hi all

just a small video of my understanding and questions on the subject

good luck at all

laurent

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjOG7OJslgA

[Magluvin]

Hey all

Woopy. You are doing great things.     I have to check the calculations. I think there is something we are missing in figuring this out.

I had the same thoughts as you when I just ran it thorough my head. If we have 2 10uf caps and charge one up to 20v, and we short them as you did, each cap will contain 10v, as you have wonderfully shown.
Then I thought, well what if we put the 2 caps in series now to get our 20v back. BAHH  or like you groaned in the vid, MMMMMMMM!      
I now have 20v, but in a 5uf cap!!!!   What??

BAGHHH!!  cant be!   

Then I climbed out of hell, where I thought I was for a moment and regained level ground.

This is a very important discovery, as you have experienced it and I had thought it. I like this. We work well together and communication is good.

This will be a VERY touchy subject, VERY.   Not right now. ;]

So back on earth,  we have 2 10uf caps with 5v in them.  At first we only had 10v in 47uf.  But now we have 5v in 94uf.  The difference is, we cant run a 10v device from the 5v in the caps, but we can run a 5v device on the 94uf at 5v, for just as long as a 10v device on a 47uf cap at 10v.  Get it? All being that the devices consume the same power levels. i can full describe it if you wish, but I think its good so far. So we are just not calculating nor thinking it properly the way we are.

But that loss that you calculated and I thought, well where did the power go in our thoughts and calculations?  I think its still there, we just shouldnt go about dealing with trying to get the 10v ability back after conversion to split the voltage.  You and I both know that if we use some energy into trying to put the 2 5v caps all back into one, there would be considerable LOSS =] in the work it took to do so.

But now for the super nasty thoughts. lol   

If we have 20v in a 10uf cap and another 10uf that is empty, then we connect them to get 10v in each 10uf cap.  If we put the caps in series and we only have 20v in a 5uf cap, we DID lose, a lot. We could never get the 20v 10uf amount of energy from a 20v 5uf cap. That is nuts woop. How dose that kind of loss happen?
What if it is a trick that is a real trick, the effect of energy actually disappeared in thin air and we were left with only 2.5 level in our water jugs instead of 5?
Here is the nasty good part, I hope. If we can make that energy just disappear, gone, nada, neva commin back, cant have it, well maybe just maybe we can double it by another way. It only seems logical that if the energy could just vanish into thin air, that there could be a way to increase it, out of thin air.  Lol, that is just mind boggling.  If we had never seen this issue, maybe we would never think of a possible way to accomplish the same trick but in reverse.

I may be very wrong here an we may have suffered a HUGE loss. But freekin how?  I know you are felling this right now woops. I feel ya.

We have to investigate this. At least its not boring. 

Like in your vid, you said very low resistance to connect the caps, so little loss, try this woops, do the same thing but with a resistor, and check to see if we lost anything. If the resistor is high value, it will take some time for the caps to level out. Tell me how much we lost.  hehe =]  If we lost anything, then heat is a loss. If you end up with 5v in each cap, what can we say about heat? Was it free?  I havnt tried this as Im really being spontaneous with the thoughts here and you have the test setup with all the same parts as before.

If the caps have less than 5v after then I submit that the heat was energy taken and converted into heat . But what if those caps level out to 5v woops? Do we have something here or what?   

I have said that I wasnt completely sure about heat not being a loss of energy from the source, but if you would, entertain me.
I will still maintain the flywheel as free till we discover otherwise.

Imagine a battery and we have a resistor that is getting hot, emitting heat, do less electrons make it to the positive side of the batt than what came out of the negative? Or are we just discharging the battery and heat is a free byproduct?  Remember, the hotter it gets, the less we pull from the battery. Would we not think that the hotter, the more current? =]
I dunno. Maybe Im just nuts and should be sent out for an afternoon of electroshock treatments. 

I just may be eating both of my feet tomorrow for lunch. I will clean them well in the morning, and bring some A1 sauce.  ;]

But Im ok with it.  I just cant see why we lost 50% woops. Something is up.

If you could do the 2 caps and resistor test, we will at least nailed down something that is on the list. I just cant imagine a 50% loss in heat here. Where did it go. We must be calculating something wrong.  Will think on it.

Well, this is more fun than titos puzzles.  No offense Teets.  We just seem to have plain objectives to work with and interesting results.

Mags