ORBO's intelectual rights

[Airstriker]

Considering ORBO's intelectual rights... What is their real state ? Can you use it's working principle, build your own devices and sell them if you haven't signed their NDA ? There is no patent on it so in fact it can be considered "open sourced" - right or not ? You cannot patent it yourself but you can use it if you know how. Is that right or not ? Can they sue you if you build your own unit and sell it ? Why didn't they patent it ? If Howard Johnson got his patent it shouldn't be a great deal to get one for ORBO. If they had patented it, it would have still been possible for them to sell licences. Is it possible to get the patent for OU device if you say it's OU and show them a working unit ? Is saying that you broke law of conservation of energy prohibited when patenting or is it that you cannot say your machine is perpetuum mobile? Just wondering what you can do when you deal with this stuff.

[Airstriker]

Nobody's able to answer these questions ? I think they are quite important to ask.

[Cloxxki]

Nobody's able to answer these questions ? I think they are quite important to ask.

The Orbo name would be unwise to just use without their consent.

What is it that makes their invention radically different from pulse motors before it? The positioning of the coils along the PM equipped rotor? If their somehow claimed a copyright for that basic design, you can't just use it. HArd to find out exactly what they may have covered legally.

But first. HOW would you commercially adopt what your learned from Steorn's presentations and the replications following it, to have a product that performs better than a product currently on the market? Would you make a record player that runs on a smaller engine? Race tune a Prius? What field of industry are you looking at?

[Airstriker]

The Orbo name would be unwise to just use without their consent.

What is it that makes their invention radically different from pulse motors before it? The positioning of the coils along the PM equipped rotor? If their somehow claimed a copyright for that basic design, you can't just use it. HArd to find out exactly what they may have covered legally.

But first. HOW would you commercially adopt what your learned from Steorn's presentations and the replications following it, to have a product that performs better than a product currently on the market? Would you make a record player that runs on a smaller engine? Race tune a Prius? What field of industry are you looking at?

First of all it's not about the motor but the generator. Steorn's ORBO isn't meant to be a motor on it's own. It's meant to run a generator, which in the end results in OU. Thus the field of industry you are looking at is the energy industry sector. Name it a power plant or name it a home power unit.
And the question is: can you claim a copyright on the device without having it patented ? What is it's law state if it's not patented or open sourced ? Why isn't it patented ?

[conradelektro]

To whoever wants to patent an over unity device!

Do not call your device "over unity" in the patent application, just call it "very efficient". There are thousands of patents about over unity devices, but none of them ever produced a working device.

On never knows whether an invention was patented by someone else beforehand. This question is resolved during the patent proceedings. In case somebody else thinks he has prior rights, he will oppose the patent. Also the patent office does a search for prior art and will refuse or limit the patent if relevant prior art exists. Usually competitors come forward during the patent proceedings and things can be sorted out. If all fails one just has to give up the patent because somebody else has prior rights.

But if you really have invented an over unity device, patents will be irrelevant. Think about the atomic bomb. It could not be protected by a patent, every powerfull nation just had to build one. The same will happen with a true over unity device. No country will be able to ignore such a technology. Every army will be in dire need for one, just to be able to defend itself against an opponent with overunity devices.

Now you have to ask yourself whether you believe in justice or rather in conspiracy theories?

In case you believe in justice, you have to hope that the world will give you some compensation for your over unity device, because it will be important for everybody. It will be a very difficult political situation and it needs more than a patent to be sorted out. It will need very considerate politicians who can cope with the consequences.

In case you believe in conspiracies, you have to assume that your over unity divice will disappear (most propably together with you), because the oil industry (or some other powerfull group) wants it that way.

The behaviour of Steorn strongly suggest that they have nothing, or some very small effect, which can not be explained easily.

There were people (they appear every ten years or so) who demonstrated alleged over unity devices to would be investors. This demonstrations never led to a usefull product. Again, in case you believe in justice, they just never were real over unity devices. In case you believe in conspiracies, you might claim, they disappeared.

So, if you ever invent a true over unity device, do not worry about patents, these will be the least of your troubles.

Greetings,
Conrad