Self running coil?

[gotoluc]

@mrock can you change it to 0.25mm instead of the 24mm

Thanks

Luc


Hi Luc,
Changes made, Re-posted Reply #92, is this correct.

thanks,
mike

Hi Mike,

I decided to take the coil off the block of wood it was hot glued on to make sure of the wire direction and connection. I noticed the wires are a little different, so can you make the changes I made just in case any of this plays a important part. I also added where the wires start when winding.

The attached is the correct way. Sorry for the changes again.

Thanks

Luc

[canam101]

I do think this circuit is demonstrating overunity. I am withholding my opinion
on where this overunity energy comes from, for now...but we need devices
that clearly demonstrate it...so we can learn what to do with them.

Just looking at it from a layman's point of view, if I had such a circuit, and it looked like it was OU, the first thing I would do is to try to close the loop. If it stopped working when I tried it, it would at least get me working in a direction that would let me look at the reason for not being able to close the loop.

If it did close the loop, then after I got over my astonishment, I could try to find out what non-OU reason would allow me to close the loop. And it would be a hell of an incentive for everyone else to replicate what I had.

Either way, trying to close the loop would be very useful.

That may be a naive layman's view of it, but it is the reason I cannot understand why Luc doesn't even try to do this.

[NextGen67]

Just looking at it from a layman's point of view, if I had such a circuit, and it looked like it was OU, the first thing I would do is to try to close the loop. If it stopped working when I tried it, it would at least get me working in a direction that would let me look at the reason for not being able to close the loop.

If it did close the loop, then after I got over my astonishment, I could try to find out what non-OU reason would allow me to close the loop. And it would be a hell of an incentive for everyone else to replicate what I had.

Either way, trying to close the loop would be very useful.

That may be a naive layman's view of it, but it is the reason I cannot understand why Luc doesn't even try to do this.

@canam101

Well, I think because each individual has his own way of working... I thought he explained already what was his personal reason?

My personal opinion is well, give him the time he need, after all *he* is the one doing the work, and kind enough to report and give questions and remarks.

Of course I am as curious as you So you might want to give it a try to replicate and close the loop.

Tough, at this stage I think it is better indeed to analyze what is going on, and see to find why is is behaving as it does now. In time I will replicate his circuit also, whether is proves out to be AE or not [AE=Additional Energy].

Ok, lets get back to help Luc with his work where possible... He put in his nightly hours for it

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NextGen67

[gyulasun]

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The attached is the correct way. Sorry for the changes again.

Thanks

Luc

Hi Luc,

Thanks for the corrections.  I found: the way you eventually wind the coils is known as the common mode choke coils EXCEPT you connect them in series.  (By the way, here is some common mode choke coils, widely used at the mains voltage input of most power supplies etc:
http://www.tdk.co.jp/tefe02/e93_tf.pdf ).

The fact your no magnet coil inductance is around 1 Henry and with the magnets it goes down to as low as 23mH to 200mH  shows saturation and would be interesting to know that the switching current from the FET makes the core towards more saturation or brings it to a less saturated point on the core's B-H curve?   Whenever you have time for a quick check: simply replace the two crocodile clips on the coil contacts with each other, to change the current flow's direction in the coil and see how the circuit behaves.
Also, in another test, could you shift the position of the magnets from the vertical symmetry line in the schematic to the left or to the right and see if this has any effect? 

Sorry if my explanation was not understandable, now the coil wireing issue may bring us further ahead.

Thanks,  Gyula

[gotoluc]

Just looking at it from a layman's point of view, if I had such a circuit, and it looked like it was OU, the first thing I would do is to try to close the loop. If it stopped working when I tried it, it would at least get me working in a direction that would let me look at the reason for not being able to close the loop.

If it did close the loop, then after I got over my astonishment, I could try to find out what non-OU reason would allow me to close the loop. And it would be a hell of an incentive for everyone else to replicate what I had.

Either way, trying to close the loop would be very useful.

That may be a naive layman's view of it, but it is the reason I cannot understand why Luc doesn't even try to do this.

Hi canam101,

I personally would be surprised that the circuit (posted above) on its own would be OU

However, if we are able to make a Toroid with a magnet Resonate at next to no cost of energy since even the possible gate switching energy is being returned to the capacitor bank, then this is good.

What you and others who are not replicating may not be considering is that a pickup coil can added and real current can be extracted at no cost to the capacitor bank returned input energy.

This is where the possible OU or Free energy could be coming from. My tests so far show that when I add a load to the pickup coil it has no reverse effect on the input. JLN has demonstrated this also but he does not have his input at zero yet!

Also, there could be a possibility of multiple pickup coils added as the toroid seems to have an opposite field on each half and maybe on each side. So there could be 4 pickup coils. The other thing is the pickup coil I used is not tuned so it is not taking full advantage of the potential magnetic current.

Luc