Self running coil?

[gotoluc]

Hi gotoluc,
In searching for explanations, there could be another remote possibility, may I suggest the following very simple test?
Remove the probes of the two mutlimeters that continuously monitor the voltage and current of the capacitor(s).
And then, only measure the voltage/current momentarily at some time intervals eg every 10 or more  minutes to see if the voltage still rises.

IIRC There was another thread, I think Ossie’s motor, or orbo replications, where it appeared that a trickle current from the continuously hooked up voltmeter was back charging the source battery…

Btw what are the batteries used in those two meters? Are they 9V a piece?

Great work and thought process on your setup
Thanks for posting.
Mike

Hi Mike,

I know this kind of thing can happen and that was tested before I started this topic.

So it was tested with no meters or probes attached and it did the same.

My meters on the cap bank use 9v batteries.

Thanks for pointing out this possible problem.

Luc

[mrock]

@mrock can you change it to 0.25mm instead of the 24mm

Thanks

Luc
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Hi Luc,
Changes made, Re-posted Reply #92, is this correct.

thanks,
mike

[gotoluc]

@mrock can you change it to 0.25mm instead of the 24mm

Thanks

Luc


Hi Luc,
Changes made, Re-posted Reply #92, is this correct.

thanks,
mike

Yes Mike, this is the correct change.

Thanks for your time.

Luc

[mscoffman]

Hi Mark and everyone,

at this time I'm not interested in a closed loop for a few reasons.

One is that an efficient pulse circuit could be made to use micro amps once
we know the parameters needed. So trying to use the SG3525 or better, a
CMOS version of the 555 still uses more current then a surface mount
efficient pulse circuit.

The other reason is I still don't quite understand how this circuit works.

More testing is needed.

Luc

While what the toroid and coil is doing is interesting and ultimately
theoretically complicated I think using to an overunity operating
circuit to probe the overunity energy field itself would prove more
productive.

:S:MarkSCoffman

[mscoffman]

I am a layman when it comes to this sort of thing, so please don't take my
remark the wrong way. But this is not very impressive, not when you have a
signal generator that is hooked to the mains as part of the circuit. That is
even worse than when you had a pulsing circuit run by a 9v battery.

If you cannot or will not take the output and run it into the input, so that you
have closed the loop, the only thing I can think of is that the 9v battery, or
the mains, is powering the device.

Not one free energy demonstrator ever tries to close the loop - there is
always a reason not to. If you really believe you have an anomaly, you
should try to close the loop.

Otherwise, all you are doing, it looks like, is broadcasting radio waves all over
the place and indirectly charging the capacitors from them, with the power
ultimately coming from the mains or the 9v battery, depending on whether
you are using the signal generator or the pulse circuit.

@canam101

You are a man after my own heart. You are absolutely correct about this
and it p*sses me off greatly. I think it's invalid and indirectly supports
the MIB's.

I do think this circuit is demonstrating overunity. I am withholding my opinion
on where this overunity energy comes from, for now...but we need devices
that clearly demonstrate it...so we can learn what to do with them.

Transistors, both Fets and Bipolars, both types need energy applied to
their gates and bases respectively to function. How much energy varies
with transistor types. Fets use AC energy through their internal (parasitic)
capacitance as listed on their manufactures specification sheets. Bipolar
transistors use energy both through their base currents(@voltage=power)
and AC through their internal parasitic capacitances (lower then Fets)

So at the very least, transistors will use energy for their internal operation
taken from the signal generator. At worst they can (and are configured
that way) to rectify and gate additional power into the circuit.

So while the circuit seems to be overunity we are left lacking proof.
The optoisolator circuit of previous Naudin links in this thread, causes
the transistor to get it's gate power, not from the signal generator,
but from the bulk capacitors, so using it and still having the voltage
climb on the capacitors would demonstrate that the circuit still has
overunity gain while also supplying all of it's own internal energy needs.

Once that is proven that can, only a few microwatts of signal
would be required additionally drawn to generate the required
clock. Probably by relocating the circuits hot frequency to
32.768KHz or /2 to 16.KHz or other submultiples thereof.

Since fet drive is tricky the whole thing could be able to be done
using the SG3525 circuit at a marginal cost of additional power.
We don't know whether the excess energy gain can support that
circuit.

Finally, it is possible to cut the required energy drawn by the
output transistor by reconfiguring the circuit to an emitter
coupled amplifier configuration. In this way both the collector
current plus the base current drives the coil (to ground) and
losses will be minimised. Alternately, connecting the Fet in
between the two coil windings and reusing the gate coupled
AC drive current might do the same thing.

I hoping that at least experimenter Magluvin will not succumb to
this overunitiphobia and will duplicate this circuit in a way that
we can progress. Once we get over this, we can design the output
according to standard engineering principles for optimal circuit
efficiency and maximize the overunity effect. 

:S:MarkSCoffman