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Bruce's Discovery, Tesla's Missing Link for his Unipolar Generator!

Started by Bruce_TPU, March 21, 2010, 07:22:45 PM

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gravityblock

#15
March 24, 2010, 01:48:30 AM
Quote from: Bruce_TPU on March 23, 2010, 11:02:53 PM
Hi GB,

Talk is cheap and I like to experiment.  I never believe something will not work, until I have tried it...thoroughly. 

Is Tesla wrong... Build something and find out.  I do not argue physics. I build and experiment based on my understanding. Can that understanding change?  Of course.

Cheers,

Bruce

Watch these four videos, then tell me there is no reaction between the armature and the field, http://www.andrijar.com/homavi/motor.avi and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk2c3m9eVK8 and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-kQans2rww and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvScSTbly1c

Talk is not cheap when it can be backed up with experiments and research.  I have done extensive research and experiments with the HPG over many years, and from what I understand, Tesla is wrong about there not being a reaction between the armature and the field (It's the very reason why a HPM works and why there is a counter torque in a HPG).  I believe anyone who has done any serious research on the HPG/HPM, will agree with this.  Experiments that have been done since his time, are in contradiction to his suggestions.

Before you tell someone to build something and to find out, you should be sure that person hasn't already done those experiments and done the proper research.  You don't have to agree with me, but the results of your own experiments will be in-line with what I am suggesting to you.  When I experiment, I start with the basics just like you.  I take nothing for granted.  This is the best way to experiment, so you can have your own understanding of things.  In the process, you may uncover something that was over-looked or misinterpreted by others.  I hope this will be the case during your experiments.  I'm not here to argue or to debate physics either.  There are loop holes and back-doors everywhere.  We need to find these loop holes and exploit them to our benefit.  This is one of the reasons why I am here.  I am not here to discourage your work.  I am here to encourage your work and to give you a different perspective on things.  Just keep them in the back of your mind is all I ask. 

I am grateful you at least read my posts.  I posted a document on the main Steorn page yesterday which I believe has really good information in it, but only 6 people downloaded the file and there has been over 400 page views since I posted the document.  It doesn't appear most people here are serious about research or experimentation, because they think they already have all of the correct answers.  In fact, there are those experimenting who are not sharing there results or data here.  It's a real shame and this holds back progress on this forum.  Please keep up your excellent work, for you are one of the very few, who are moving this forum forward in the right direction.

GB
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

gravityblock

#16
March 24, 2010, 05:46:37 AM
Quote from: Bruce_TPU on March 23, 2010, 11:02:53 PM
Hi GB,

I am not looking for the eddy currents to excite my brug, (lol...that sounds bad  :D) but I am looking for the current to flow from the inside to the outside perimeter of my pancake coil and hoping that it's magnetic field will reinforce the field.

I have only just begun.  Magnetic bearings are an idea, so also is levitation.  My personal favorite.  So also is the "top" method with friction limited to one point.  I'm going to build and test and see what works best.  Not as easy to spin up copper in this manner as one thinks...but it can be done!   ;)

Cheers,

Bruce

The current flowing in the pancake coil will not re-enforce the field regardless of the direction of rotation.  If you reverse the rotation, then the current flow will also reverse it's direction, which will once again be in opposition to the direction of rotation.  Here's a video from Lumen clearly showing when the direction of rotation is reversed in a HPG, then the polarity of the voltage is reversed, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSWwrvT_c8w

If you can wrap your mind around this concept along with Newton's Third Law, then the HPG/HPM is demystified.

Here's a video of a true levitating HPM, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hHfkK4iGBQ

This video has friction limited to only one point, similar to the "top method" you are referring to, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHxHNS9gCfg

GB
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

Bruce_TPU

#17
March 24, 2010, 07:41:22 AM
Hi GB,

I've seen some of those and some I have not.  Large ones produce high amperage and low voltage.

I already know that they work, ie..Faraday's disc.  Though it is a different setup.

I will not believe anything about the pancake coil not working, until I have tried both it and also Tesla's bifilar pancake coil in my BRUG...sorry..LOL


@ ALL
I am now looking for build designs...  and build ideas.

I have some more little experiments to run tonight.  I have ordered a pwm kit for my SSG3 and I have some time to think on my BRUG until it arrives.

The order in which I want to design is as follows:
1a.  A long spin down time accomplished with a "Top" type set up of 5 minutes or more. Figuring out best vertical height in proportion to horizontal pieces, ie...two magnets and coil/plate.
Center of gravity, weight, mass etc.

1b.  Identify if using satalites is feasable, to create many spinning BRUG's.

2a.  Building a test rig for coils and plates.

2b.  Testing Output, and best means to physically draw off output.

3a.  Putting the BRUG together.  Testing using a very, very, very small duty cycle.

And studying the Generators of yesteryear and today, of the Forbes type.

That is my plan to date.   ;D

Cheers,

Bruce

EDIT:
Hey GB, I did indeed like this one setup that you posted.  I like it very much!  It uses only magnets for full levitation, as well!  It is very clever.  I like it enough to test the BRUG spin down time using one of those set ups.  Thanks!
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

gravityblock

#18
March 24, 2010, 08:13:45 AM
Quote from: Bruce_TPU on March 24, 2010, 07:41:22 AM
Hi GB,

I've seen some of those and some I have not.  Large ones produce high amperage and low voltage.

I already know that they work, ie..Faraday's disc.  Though it is a different setup.

I will not believe anything about the pancake coil not working, until I have tried both it and also Tesla's bifilar pancake coil in my BRUG...sorry..LOL

Different setup, but based on the same concept and principals.  I don't expect you to believe anything about the pancake coil not being able to re-enforce the field, and I'm not trying to talk you out of doing the experiment, so I don't know why you are apologizing and laughing at me.  Pulsing it is a good idea and definitely should be followed up on, with or without the pancake coil.

Go ahead and prove Tesla wrong in your own experiments.  I've already shown you that his suggestions are more than likely wrong, and gave you reasons why he even made those suggestions in the first place, but you won't be satisfied until you actually see the results in your own experiments.  Do you really think I would say Tesla may be wrong, without having good reasons, when he is highly respected by myself and others here, especially when you are about to do an experiment that will confirm in your mind if he was correct or not?   Of course not.  You automatically reject everybody else's experiments and research while only accepting your own as being correct.  That is very naive, IMO.  I truly wish you Good Luck though!  No hard feelings here.  This should give you the motivation to prove me otherwise, and I really hope you are successful (we are on the same side, and I'm not against your efforts or against having positive results). 

In fact, I can even show you a post of mine from way back, where I mentioned using a pancake coil in a HPG.  This idea has been tossed around on this forum quite a bit, and it needs to be tested (You just really never know one way or the other, until it's actually been tested).  Until it has been tested and proven otherwise, I will hold onto what I currently believe to be correct, based on what I feel like is the best information I have come across from a wide rage of resources, which is not limited to just my own experiments.

GB
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

Bruce_TPU

#19
March 24, 2010, 07:45:43 PM
Quote from: gravityblock on March 24, 2010, 08:13:45 AM
Different setup, but based on the same concept and principals.  I don't expect you to believe anything about the pancake coil not being able to re-enforce the field, and I'm not trying to talk you out of doing the experiment, so I don't know why you are apologizing and laughing at me.  Pulsing it is a good idea and definitely should be followed up on, with or without the pancake coil.

Go ahead and prove Tesla wrong in your own experiments.  I've already shown you that his suggestions are more than likely wrong, and gave you reasons why he even made those suggestions in the first place, but you won't be satisfied until you actually see the results in your own experiments.  Do you really think I would say Tesla may be wrong, without having good reasons, when he is highly respected by myself and others here, especially when you are about to do an experiment that will confirm in your mind if he was correct or not?   Of course not.  You automatically reject everybody else's experiments and research while only accepting your own as being correct.  That is very naive, IMO.  I truly wish you Good Luck though!  No hard feelings here.  This should give you the motivation to prove me otherwise, and I really hope you are successful (we are on the same side, and I'm not against your efforts or against having positive results). 

In fact, I can even show you a post of mine from way back, where I mentioned using a pancake coil in a HPG.  This idea has been tossed around on this forum quite a bit, and it needs to be tested (You just really never know one way or the other, until it's actually been tested).  Until it has been tested and proven otherwise, I will hold onto what I currently believe to be correct, based on what I feel like is the best information I have come across from a wide rage of resources, which is not limited to just my own experiments.

GB

Woa...Easy there Hoss,

Don't go getting your undies in a knot.  I was not "laughing at you."  I do not laugh at others.  So please do not read things into responses that are not there, or that are "assumed".  I do "respect other peoples experiments, but I have not seen anything to dissuade me, was my point.  You said, "This idea has been tossed around on this forum quite a bit, and it needs to be tested (You just really never know one way or the other, until it's actually been tested)." and that was my point. 

Please feel free to post relevent items here, ie... videos, actual test results, build ideas, etc.  But this is the end of this particular discussion.

@ ALL

I have a series of small experiments to run tonight.  Just some simple things to clarify a few things in my mind.  I will let you know what they are and how they went, later tonight.

Cheers,

Bruce
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.
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