Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !

[vrand]

yes Mirabella can do it , it is a pantone likes
he said that , when the reactor is hot , the motor cans run with water only

Yes, they said that they did run the exhaust back into the intake. No mention if it improved the running of the engine.

This project has been going on since at least January of this year. Its slow going building process to reach this stage yesterday with the video of powering the 1000w loads.

The engine seems to be the limiting factor along with time and money.  The regulation of the HHO +air gases input is the problem, so that the engine runs smoothly. Currently they needed 2 people to run the engine, one to adjust the gas inputs and the other to demonstrate the electrical loading.

Maybe a simple Natural Gas conversion kit that has a gas regulator would work. Or can buy a genset that already has the Natural Gas kit built in:

Triple-Fuel Honda Powered 8,750 Watt w/ Electric Start - Runs on propane, natural gas and gasoline right out of the box! No mechanical alterations are necessary - simply change your fuel source!
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With small engines you still need to advance the ignition timing to TDC and currently there is no units that allow adjustment. Also the removal of the "waste spark" that causes back fire when using HHO. Their setup using a standard car ignition coil, the large and small plastic timing gears and wood lever is one way to adjust the ignition timing and get rid of the waste spark. 

Regards, Mike R. 

[mscoffman]

Here is a video if you are interested in running an internal combustion
engine on hydrogen. What this person does in the video and what they
fellows have done is very similar.

Hydrogen Fuel Engine Fundamentals Parts #1 thru 10 link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo88bRN8vFw

You have got to get to fact that air is not pure oxygen. So the
oxygen and hydrogen to the engine may be in stochiometric quantities
but the mixture is not. The engine is designed to run on fuel air mix
and therefore some air is gated in.

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The experiment needs to be improved as follows;

a) You need a needle value in the fuel line to act as a throttle. You should
couple the throttle to the Hall Effect switch in a way that controls the RPM
of the motor. This will set the 50 Hertz line frequency correctly in the
generator. The Voltage Regulator in the generator are generally resonant
circuits I think so the frequency instability will negatively affect the voltage
stability.

b)You need a hydrogen accumulator and a pressure sensor that controls
how much energy is being gated to the electrolyser. When the pressure
goes down in the accumulator the electrolyser cells should work harder
the bring it back up. For this control you should use a bulk 40VDC supply
rather than a regulated one so that the output voltage follows input.
If the transformer of the power supply doesn't like continuous TRIAC
controls then try using cycle skipping.

c) You need two Variac's variable AC auto-transformers. These are manually
adjusted to split the generators output power between the load and the
electrolyser. The concept is since P=E*I, as you increase the AC voltage
slightly up or down then the power on that path will follow along. Diesel
Electric Locomotives operate this way (sans hydrogen of course) and use
a variable transformer as a Continuously Variable Transmission.

Of course stabilising the feedback loop will do nothing if the electrolyser is not
producing at least somewhat above Faraday hydrogen and oxygen amounts.
It doesn't, by the way, make sense that non-stochiometric quantities of gas
would come from the electrolyser because the feed chemical is water and
if CF Cold Fusion is source of the excess energy, one is never going to see
reaction products because their quantities is so small.

If you have an option get a "Digital" Generator Set as it has a bunch
of features that would make it easier to control the feedback loop.
It essentially works the way the feedback loop should look!

I hope these fellows go on to improve their demonstration because they
started it.   I would rather have self-running proof of overunity energy
with a Carnot perfect gas engine rather than measurements anyhow. So
far what they have looks very good.

:S:MarkSCoffman

[sterlinga]

I've created a feature page on this at http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Self-Looped_Anton_HHO_Cell_System

Self-Looped Anton HHO Cell System - Some researchers in Germany, Oliver and Valnetin, have excited the forums with their announcement of being able to self-run a 1000-watt generator from the HHO gas generated from their electrolysis process. So the electrolysis unit produces HHO gas which runs a genset (an engine connected to an alternator that produces electricity), and the electricity produced then runs the electrolysis unit. (PESWiki; April 27, 2010)


Feel free to use this page to organize all the great material coming through this forum.

It's a publicly editable site.  Just log in and edit.

@Stefan, Thanks for all your hard work in posting this info here.

[broli]

You shouldn't worry about being limited in resources. Like you mentioned, there are quite some cheap modifications you can still apply to make this cheap inefficient motor more efficient. I also recommend you look into;  Somender Singh's Design to Improve Turbulence in Combustion Chambers by Creating a Vortex. This is a very cheap method of increasing the efficiency of your motor.

As time passes by and more people get into this, the resources will come to you like magic  . In your case the best gift would imo be a Massive Yet Tiny engine.

Keep up the good work guys.

[Rapadura]

Could this cheap chinese motor run for just 30 seconds with the output being used to run the 3 Anton cells and light up a small fluorescent lamp at the same time? That should be overunity.