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Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !

Started by hartiberlin, April 25, 2010, 02:33:30 AM

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hartiberlin

Quote from: vrand on April 26, 2010, 01:32:30 AM
Thats great, make electricity and warm your house at the same time!! ;)

- What kind of spark plug are they using?
- Using extra high voltage ignition, over 60kv? 
- Are they making a "plasma spark" or just a normal spark?

Best regards, Mike R.

I guess just a normal sparkplug of this bought chinese
motor-generator.
They just redesigned the ignition timing to supress the waste spark
and control the fire angle with this setup.
I think that they are using a normal car ignition coil there.

Regards, Stefan.
Stefan Hartmann, Moderator of the overunity.com forum

Omnibus

Very nicely built, indeed. I couldn't understand, however, what the current efficiency is when shown in that video where they're measuring the volume of the gas. He was explaining something but because it was in German couldn't understand it. Was there anything special about the collected gas compared to the coulombs the have passed for the duration of the test?

hartiberlin

This was an earlier test with just a smaller Anton cell,
(less plates).

The current setup with the selfrunning video uses 3 Anton cells in parallel with more plates
and better efficiency.

I don´t know yet, what the electrolyte concentration was, but they will
probably soon reveal this and more parameters...
These were just the last tests they have done yeasterday and just posted them
in a video.
Now they have to measure it all in detail themself....

Documentation is always the hardest and annoying part of it all ! ;) ;D
Stefan Hartmann, Moderator of the overunity.com forum

vrand

Quote from: hartiberlin on April 26, 2010, 01:45:19 AM
I guess just a normal sparkplug of this bought chinese
motor-generator.
They just redesigned the ignition timing to supress the waste spark
and control the fire angle with this setup.
I think that they are using a normal car ignition coil there.

Regards, Stefan.

Thank you Stefan.  This is another area of research they can try out in the future.

Aquapulser's RPG 4700
http://www.aquapulser.com/performance_ignition/

Aquapulser videos showing the plasma spark and dyno testing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Cd2Oug1wk0

The idea is that a plasma completely ignites the gases HHO + N2 + O2 + HV plasma => H1 + N20 + NH3 + 03 + Combustion => N2 + H2O + O2

If they are smelling ammonia then it sounds like they do not have a complete combustion. It also means that they could get MORE power out if they did have a more complete combustion.  ;)

If they had the funds, it would be great to take this working unit AS IS (do not change anything) to the local university to have the exhaust gas analyzed. Then compare the spark ignition to a higher voltage coil, and to the Aquapulser ignition.  To see if there is any increase in power output for the same gases input.

Best regards, Mike R.   

vrand

Quote from: vrand on April 26, 2010, 02:23:33 AM
Thank you Stefan.  This is another area of research they can try out in the future.

Aquapulser's RPG 4700
http://www.aquapulser.com/performance_ignition/

Aquapulser videos showing the plasma spark and dyno testing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Cd2Oug1wk0

The idea is that a plasma completely ignites the gases HHO + N2 + O2 + HV plasma => H1 + N20 + NH3 + 03 + Combustion => N2 + H2O + O2

If they are smelling ammonia then it sounds like they do not have a complete combustion. It also means that they could get MORE power out if they did have a more complete combustion.  ;)

If they had the funds, it would be great to take this working unit AS IS (do not change anything) to the local university to have the exhaust gas analyzed. Then compare the spark ignition to a higher voltage coil, and to the Aquapulser ignition.  To see if there is any increase in power output for the same gases input.

Best regards, Mike R.   

Here are some high performance spark plugs:

BRISK PREMIUM LGS SPARK PLUG
http://www.briskusa.com/products.htm#premium

Brisk Premium LGS spark plug has been developed after two-year cooperation with Lamborghini Morori Marini. This spark plug utilizes extremely long glide-spark and massive integrated side electrode. Massive integrated side electrode ensures superior heat removal from active part of the spark plug even in the most extreme conditions, therefore eliminating electrode burn off seen on conventional spark plugs in race applications. Extremely long glide spark (almost 3mm) protrudes deep into combustion chamber, carries more potential charge and is unshielded by the conventional side ground electrode. The air and fuel mixture is ignited more spontaneously and flame front spread is unrestricted and more uniform.

The idea is the complete combustion of the gases with HV ignition and special spark plugs.

Regards, Mike R.