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Overunity Machines Forum



This device is the real self-running overunity?

Started by Arthurs, May 17, 2010, 03:45:15 PM

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Rosphere

Quote from: Airstriker on September 10, 2010, 11:44:37 AM
...If I build something usefull I will share. But first I need to clear my theoretic doubts.

From http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etFCzIe-D2Y:

3:17  The next part of a generator is, that you can't overcome what is commonly known as load.
3:34  When you put it under load, that is, get it to do work, you notice what is the choking down of the generator; what is commonly known as load.
3:44  What I have found load to be is dia-magnetism.

5:05  If this magnet [one of two 'coil' magnets] were in a fixed position, as all generators are, when it would come around here [by the pick-
up coil] it would stop the entire machine, "bump," when you put it under load.
5:26  Instead of choking the machine down the force, the dia-magnetism, causes it to spin in this direction going past [loaded coil drags on outboard side of 'coil' magnet.]
5:40  A spinning magnet generates the same amount,... or causes enough electrons to flow, as a fixed magnet. [TO BE TESTED.]

Test it.  Generator shafts could be catalysts, not just conveyances.  ;)

http://listen.grooveshark.com/#/s/What+s+He+Building+In+There+/20l6Xk

NTesla

Completed assembly of my replication attempt V1 as shown below  ;D Will commence testing it hopefully next week.

Initial notes:

- Horizontal setup used instead of vertical due to bearing wear (bearings are conventional). This is why the device is standing on it's side!

- Magnets used (http://www.magnet4less.com/product_info.php?cPath=13&products_id=857) combined with the distance from the centre shaft results in substantial weight and angular momentum. Testing with a 9VDC alkaline battery had to be stopped because of excessive vibration in the base.

- Have yet to test efficiency.

- All fittings with exception of centre shaft bearings are brass or 303 stainless steel.


Airstriker

Nice setup. A lot better than mine ;) Anyway in my tests I was not able to make the magnets rotate. I have tried using a half or full wave rectification. The half wave rectification was used in either entry point of coil or exit point of coil. In all cased the magnets did not rotate. I've also tried to break the uniformity of the magnetic field of the magnets by adding very small magnets on top of them. Also no success in either half or full wave rectification. The magnets did want to rotate at some point but they immediately stopped at some other point. I've also tried to give the magnets an initial spin. Also without success ;[ However in all cases I've used the coils with ferromagnetic cores. Maybe air coils will show something different. How is it in your case? Any success ?
By the way, I think your ordinary bearings are affected by the magnets. They simply make the rotations slower. Try using plastic bearings.
And one more thing... The rotation of the magnets should be easily seen - you don't really need any special cameras to capture that movement. I can tell that, as I've seen some momements, where the magnets did want to rotate and rotated a bit but failed some miliseconds later. So if you don't see the rotations by your eyes, the magnets don't rotate.

IotaYodi

Watched the video and it is interesting. Could have been presented a little better. Im just wondering how he came to the conclusion that Einsteins formula of E=mc2 was wrong.
What I know I know!
Its what I don't know that's a problem!

gravityblock

Quote from: scotty1 on May 22, 2010, 07:52:12 PM
Airstriker, I tested the principals of the machine and the Lenz force was directed to the main rotor when the magnet was as "B", a normal speaker magnet. The magnet will not spin as it passes the coil.

Scotty.

Tell me how in the hell can the Lenz force be directed to the main rotor, without it also being directed to the magnet if the field always remains stationary and can't rotate with or without the magnet.  The magnet is attached to the main rotor, so any force directed to the main rotor must be transferred from the attached magnet.  If there is no force on the magnet to cause it to rotate, then there can't be a force transferred to the rotor. Or, in other words, if the Lenz force is directed to the main rotor, then the Lenz force must have also been directed to the magnet.  The reason why the magnet doesn't rotate as it passes the coil is due to the magnets rotation being cancelled by oppossing forces.

The applied field of the magnet induces an EMF in the coil, due to relative motion between the conductor and the moving magnet.  This EMF induced in the coil creates a pressure against the magnet's field and causes the magnetic field of the magnet to rotate.  Please note, the magnet will also try to rotate with it's field, but the magnet's rotation is canceled at a later stage and will cause the field to rotate independantly from the magnet.  Also note, the field rotating independantly from the magnet will have no force on the main rotor or prime mover, which allows the main rotor to have a net force against it at a later stage, while the magnet has no net rotation.  This rotating field of the magnet now induces an opposing, but equal EMF in the coil due to relative motion between the rotating field and the stationary conductor. 

Our coil now has both a north and a south pole, or a negative and a positve, thus current can now flow.  One pole or EMF is created by the approaching and departing magnets, while the opposite pole or opposite EMF is created by the rotating field and stationary conductor.  Allowing current to flow in the coil reduces the above pressure which will cause the field of the magnet to rotate at a slower rate while increasing the pressure against the moving magnet and prime mover, thus there will be a drop in the voltage according to Ohm's law.  This increase in pressure against the magnet cancels out the rotation of the magnet, while allowing the prime mover to have a net force against it.  When the magnet approaches the coil, the field will rotate CW, but as the magnet departs from the coil then the field will rotate CCW, or vice versa.  Thus, the magnet's field is oscillating back and forth to produce AC, while the magnet itself remains stationary.

This anaylsis explains Ohm's law, it explains how a coil is induced with two opposite but equal EMF's (positive/negative, north/south), it explains Lenz law, and it also explains why there is no net rotation of the magnet.  If the field of the magnet always remains stationary in space, as according to you, then none of the above can be explained.


GB
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