New Breakthrough in Over Unity Theory

[Merg]

After the research and analytical work a new theory has been developed and now Jovan Marjanovic and academician Veljko Milkovic are presenting the theory which says that acting force against moving body will not only accelerate the mass of the body, but also its initial kinetic energy too. The product of initial velocity and additional velocity times the mass would be measurement of extra energy or over-unity energy...

Jovan Marjanovic & Veljko Milkovic - Kinetic Energy and Over Unity

The goal of this work is to point out some important facts in formulas for kinetic energy and momentum (quantity of the movement) for moving bodies.
It will be shown that over unity behavior is inherent in movement itself.

In this work the authors will discuss:

- origin of the formulas for linear momentum and kinetic energy,

- principle of adding energy to a moving body as the key for over unity,

- initial velocity in gravitation field,

- the best way of adding energy to the pendulum,

- validity of relativity of classic mechanics inside an inertial frame.

Key words: velocity, kinetic energy, momentum, over-unity, pendulum.

The complete paper can be read on the next link (PDF - 155KB):
http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Docs/Jovan_Marjanovic_Veljko_Milkovic_Kinetic_Energy_and_Overunity.pdf

[e2matrix]

Haven't read the paper yet but what you are saying sounds a lot like Tseung's 'lead out' info.  He's got a long thread on this forum that is still being updated.

[exnihiloest]

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The complete paper can be read on the next link (PDF - 155KB):
http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Docs/Jovan_Marjanovic_Veljko_Milkovic_Kinetic_Energy_and_Overunity.pdf

As proof of OU, it is stated that:
- when you push a ball with a certain work and a force F, it acquires a velocity v, and a kinetic energy 1/2*m*v²
- now the ball is rolling, and you repeat the first operation: you push again the ball with same work and same force F, it acquires a velocity 2*v, and a kinetic energy 1/2*m*2²*v²
It is concluded that:
we have only doubled the work and obtained four times the kinetic energy!

This is total nonsense. Speed is relative to a reference frame, and so is the kinetic energy.
Energy is frame dependant.

In order to suppose that the work to accelerate the ball from 0 to v is the same as to accelerate it from v to 2*v, we have to suppose that in the second case, we accelerate the ball from 0 to v in a reference frame already at speed v relative to the first one. Thus we calculated two works of same value but relative to two different frames of reference. To add them is meaningless.
From the initial reference frame, we accelerated the ball from 0 to 2*v, therefore the work we expended is of course 1/2*m*2²*v².

The way Marjanovic does physics math is an absurdity not only from relativity viewpoint but also in Newton's mechanics.

[Omnibus]

Energy is frame dependant.

That's sheer nonsense.

[Omnibus]

I don't know what that fellow is claiming neither do I have the time right now to get into the details but one thing is clear--when one says a body of mass m has velocity v that in no way implies the body can be observed from a different frame with the intention to prove that its velocity isn't v. That's such a dishonest twisting of someone's claim that I have no words for it. When someone says a body has velocity v he means it. That is, he is at rest with the laboratory frame and is observing the body moving at velocity v. Period. Further, when he says the body has a velocity of 2v he also means it and that velocity is also seen from the laboratory frame.