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New Steven Mark video released April 2006 !

Started by hartiberlin, April 14, 2006, 12:18:43 AM

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Tink

Dear Mr. Mannix,

Please don't get me wrong, I do believe the Stevens' device works.
It just makes me feel sad that after 19 years it is still not on the market.
So many (oil)wars are not needed if only we could buy this device.
With this device we can get free electricity and heat and via a waterpump and electric distillation clean drinkingwater.
Also can we light and heat greenhouses to grow our own food.
This device means freedom.
Maybe that is the reason this device is not found on the market and even patents are not been found.
I am not in it for the money because a patent would stop that anyway and it has never been my goal.
I have had a dream so to say (as a child) just like many others here and that is to build a free energy device because I am so **** sure it is possible to do so.
I have been tinkering myself with mechanical devices but with the birth of the internet I found out that I was reinventing the wheel.
Steven must know how frustrated we are because we can't grasp it yet how his device works.
I for one am frustrated to be honest.
I think I speak for most of us when I say that we are afraid that his device will never get on the market so we must try to get it out of the claws of the powers that be and get it out in the open.
Please do not give up on us.
Synergy is the key to free energy.

Mannix

Tink and all,
I take your point about why is it not out there so I will attempt to explain something that I have had to reluctantly accept as well.

If we look at various bits of technology over the years and study their history we will find the same disturbing picture but because we are looking in hindsight we are do not feel the isolation of discovery. This is what prompted me in the first instance to investigate the issue. The inventor that is Steven, has an agreement with UEC that prevents him from going into too much detail.It is a fine line for him . There is a concerted effort to bring this into use. Consider the info here not as a relevation of a free energy device but as a place where we may be able to get a few clues and perhaps some practical understanding of the process. This has already happened in many ways... not enough for some ,but enough for those who are prepared to do some hard work to follow in his footsteps.

Is it possible that this, that is this forum  is a part of the process of acceptance. You see that some people cannot accept that there is a world outside the one where thay are completely subservient to ideas that were not theirs in the frist place.

Perhaps a circuit will appear here that encompasses everything that Steven has revealed.  The problem is that Unless we can grasp the process it would be like handing petrol and matches to a child.

There is much more support out there for those who say "impossible"

I will include the engineers reports in this thread for those who have not had the time to go thru the other one




29 September 1997
Michael Fennell  (Consulting Engineer)
8348 Menkar Road
San Diego, CA. 92126

To whom it may concern:

I have been hired by Mr. Green to evaluate the performance of the Toroidal Power Unit or TPU as has been described to me as a proprietary invention of Steven Mark who was until 1995 President and Chief engineer of Spheric Laboratories, a public corporation.

I have been instructed to compare the performance of the TPU with that of any known batteries and other storage systems.

As understood the device is universally observed to have the following characteristics:

Outside Diameter:  6"
Inside Diameter:  5"
Height:    1 - 3/4"
Weight:   12 ounces
Output Power:   250 Watts
Output Voltage:  160 Volts
Voltage Frequency:  5000 Hz.
Duration of Performance: 30 Minutes

To compare the TPU with commercially available and developed batteries I described its performance in terms of -Specific Energy-.

The power delivered by a battery or motor is the amount of energy delivered per unit time.
A 250 Watt device delivers 250 Joules per second. The total energy delivered is the power times the amount of time that the device is on. A 250 Watt power supply that is on for 1 second delivers 250 Joules. Since the TPU was on for a half an hour, it delivered (250W) x (0.5 Hours) = 125 Watt Hour of energy. In Joules that is (250 W) x (1800 s) = 450,000 J.

A convenient way of comparing two energy sources is to compare their specific energies.
The specific energy of a battery is the total power it delivers divided by its weight. For the TPU that would be 125 W-Hour / 0.34 Kg or 367 W-Hour / Kg.
Specific energy is a useful number for comparing power supplies for vehicles and portable electronics, because a battery may deliver a large amount of power, but weigh too much to be useful. If the batteries constitute a large fraction of the vehicle mass, much of the power they supply is used just to move their own mass.

I have included a table comparing the specific energy of the TPU with that of other batteries. Generally, batteries are defined as self-contained electrochemical cells: they burn no fuel and require no outside chemicals.
BATTERY    SPECIFIC ENERGY   COMPANY
             W-Hr / Kg   REFERENCE

TPU      367    As Observed
Lithium-iron Disulfide    130    (2)
Lithium     125    Battery Engineer(3)
Sodium Sulfur     100    (2)
Nickel-metal Hydride      75     Energy Conversion Devices.(3)
Zink-Bromide       70    Electro Energy(1)
Nickel Cadmium      56    (2)
Lead-Acid(Experimental)     50    (1)
Lead-Acid(Conventional)     35    (1)

(1) ?Electric-Vehicle Batteries,? H. Oman and Gross Feb. 1995
(2) ?Solar Dome,? Robert Q. Riley
(3)   Phone conversation.  See text.
______________________________________________________________________________

For electric vehicle applications, the most promising near term successor to conventional lead acid batteries are Nickel-Metal-Hydride (NiMH) batteries. These are currently used in laptop computers.
Energy Conversion Devices (ECD) has a large number of patents on NiMH technology, and has licensed the technology to GM in the U.S. and other manufacturers in Europe and South East Asia. To obtain more information on these batteries contact Greg Fritz at ECD (248-363-1750) or John Dunbar at Gold Peak (619-674-5620). Gold Peak Inc. Makes NiMH batteries and is a licensee of ECD. Greg Fritz says that ECD may be able to produce batteries with a specific energy of up to 150 W-Hour / Kg within several years.

Lithium polymer batteries are another promising battery technology. Battery Engineering is bringing out a 125 W-Hour / Kg battery this summer, according to Sal Piazza (619-830-5820), a battery engineer and spokesman.

Capacitors can also be used as energy storage devices. Maxwell Technologies produces a line of ultracapacitors that can achieve extremely high energy storage densities. Their ultracapacitors are used in electric vehicles to capture energy from regenerative brakes and store it for subsequent accelerations.
However, according to Ed Blank at Maxwell (619-279-5100) their capacitors can not possibly match the performance characteristics of the TPU
He said that if their capacitors could match the TPU then he would not be at work; he?d be at the beach.

A small Maxwell capacitive energy storage device system is about 18'x18"x6". It can deliver about 42 W-Hr. The unit described by Ed Blank is designed to deliver 5000 W For 30 seconds at 56 volts. I do not have the weight of the device, but the specific energy should be much lower because the box has 108 times the volume of the TPU.
Two characteristics differentiate the performance of the TPU from batteries. First, it has a 5000Hz AC output. Batteries are strictly DC devices.
Second, its output voltage is very high compared to typical batteries. Batteries are constructed from electrochemical cells with a small fixed voltage; a typical value is 1.5 volts. Higher voltages are achieved by stacking these small cells together in series. Typically the largest stacks are 12 volts.
These higher voltages can not be made arbitrarily large.
Battery cells have internal resistance; if a large number of cells are stacked in a series, each cell in the series will pass all the current delivered by the stack. Consider the concept of the weakest link in a chain.
For example, if ten 1.5 volt cells rated at 1 amp each are stacked together, the stack can only be operated at 1 amp at 15 volts.
Drawing higher current would result in each cell in the stack passing more then its rated 1 amp. This would cause internal changes in the cells which can lead to a cessation of the electrochemical energy producing activity or a buildup of gas with possible explosion.
To use many batteries to create the current and high voltage associated with the TPU would be out of the question.

AC voltages can be obtained from battery based power supplies using converters or actually inverters. However, inverters are built using capacitors and inductors that tend to be bulky. This means that it would be extremely difficult if not impossible to build a 160 volt 5000 Hz power source by linking together a large number of low voltage batteries and the additional inverter electronics in a package with the small size and mass of the TPU.

In Summary:
No known form of battery or capacitor comes close to the performance specifications of the TPU as described. Even the best available lithium batteries would require almost triple the weight to deliver an equivalent amount of energy.
Whatever this device is, it does not seem to be a battery in the conventional sense of a self contained electrochemical cell that burns no fuel and requires no outside chemicals.
Another point to consider is; from what I understand 30 minutes may not be the limit of this device?s performance. If that is the case, it will be proportionally better in performance. For example, if the device is capable of operating at the same power for 60 minutes, this would equate to about six times its weight in the best available lithium batteries that would be required to deliver the equivalent amount of energy.

      Sincerely,

      Michael Fennell
      B.A. Physics, Swarthmore College1983
      M.S. Applied Physics, UCSD, 1988
       
I have worked on projects for NASA.
I have been a project engineer for ENERGY SCIENCE LABORATORIES, a senior technical associate with AT&T BELL LABORATORIES and have been a technical Writer for the HARVARD UNIVERSITY COMMITTEE ON PATENTS AND COPYRIGHTS.



THE ?TPU? POWER SOURCE

I have been asked to prepare this document to address some criticism, which may exist in relation to the ?TPU? power source as developed by Steven Mark. I have seen the various videotapes and have attended live demonstrations of the device in operation. I have also received the feedback and comments of various engineers and experts in electronics and electrical power generation who have also seen the tapes and witnessed live demonstrations.

First of all, there has been some considerable speculation as to the origins of the ?TPU? technology and who actually owns it. It was conceived and developed by Steven Mark and is owned by Universal Energy Corporation and has been legally owned by that company since 1992. I have personally seen the various contracts and summary evidence myself to conclude that the ?TPU? technology is owned by Universal Energy Corporation. I have heard that someone named Brian Collins in Australia has claimed that he invented the technology and has used some of the videotapes to gather sums of money from would be investors. This activity is criminal and Brian Collins did not invent the technology and does not own it or have the right to sell any part of it in any way. Additionally, there have been others that have found a way to ?Cash In? by using the videotapes and claiming they own or represent the technology in some way. This is all very unfortunate because the ?TPU? is a real power source and deserves to be developed by legitimate means. These people in Australia and other places have taken advantage of, and grievously injured the inventor (Steven Mark) and legal owners (UEC) of the ?TPU?.

The second point of criticism is that the ?TPU? is a fake and doesn?t really work. I have received the input of a variety of engineers and technical people. Most relevant is the feedback from two highly qualified individuals. The first of these is Chris Campbell, an experienced Radio Engineer from California, and the second is Roland Shinzinger, a well known authority on power systems, and a Professor Emeritus of Engineering, (UCI).
Mr. Campbell was selected by myself because of his well known expertise in radio and microwave transmission devises. Mr. Campbell was asked to be as skeptical and critical as possible regarding potential ways that these effects might be faked. Dr. Schinzinger was hired by an outside firm and presumably given similar instructions to examine the device for possible fraud or trickery.

Mr. Campbell made it very clear that it was virtually impossible to transmit the necessary energy via radio or electromagnetic means of a magnitude necessary to light all the light bulbs seen lit in the demonstrations. This is especially true because of the inventor?s willingness to drive around town and perform the demonstration anyplace desired.

Neither Campbell nor Dr. Schinzinger, nor any of the other technical personal have been able to find any evidence of fraud or trickery. Nor have they been able to offer a plausible explanation of how the device actually functions.

The ?TPU? units apparently heat up to a potentially dangerous level after a considerable period of time, and must be shut off at that point. This makes some people suspicious of a battery that is being depleted and which must be recharged after a few minutes. However, after having cooled down, the inventor has always managed to start the unit up again and light the lamps again for the same amount of time as before, until the unit heats up again, without removing the device from the observers sight to be ?recharged?. This can apparently be done any number of times, such as the cumulative ?ON? time can be extended to at least 30 or 40 minutes. This is several times longer then the theoretical limit of any kind of concealed battery pack that I, the battery experts or electrical engineers have yet been able to discover. I have personally seen this demonstration at least fifty times.

In point of fact, there is in existence a video tape showing a ?TPU? putting out over 1,000 Volts and lighting ten 100 Watt/ 120 volt light bulbs in series for ten minutes. (I have seen this demonstration in person several times). In order to light ten 120 Volt, 100 Watt bulbs for even five minutes, the size and weight of the batteries necessary would need to be quite large.  I have discussed this issue with a number of battery experts who have assured me that such a power supply made of batteries would need to weigh somewhere between 25 and 70 pounds or more.  When I asked if there is not some way, perhaps using Nickel-Cadmium or Lithium batteries or some other kind of exotic or extremely expensive batteries, to make such a unit that would weigh less than 20 pounds, they have frequently laughed at the absurdity of the suggestion, insisting that I am asking the impossible.  One battery expert told me that by using some kind of extraordinarily expensive new military spec Lithium batteries that he has heard of (but never seen), it might be possible to get closer to a figure of 20 pounds, but that he knew of no battery in existence that would actually power ten 120 volt, 100 watt bulbs for even five minutes that could possibly weigh under 20 pounds.  Since the total weight of the larger ?TPU? unit in the demonstration is only about 6 lbs., it seems impossible to do this even if the entire weight of the device consisted only of batteries.  The bottom line is; the ?TPU? ain?t a battery.

I understand that an Engineer, Michael Fennell, has written a paper comparing the small ?TPU? in W-Hr / Kg to all the various battery types currently available. In this paper the ?TPU? has an energy storage advantage over the best (Lithium-iron Disulfide) battery of almost three to one!
So, even if the ?TPU? were nothing more then a battery, it must be some new kind of fantastic battery. Therefore, in itself very valuable, regardless.

As a final word, I must say that ?I saw what I saw?. As unbelievable to me as it is. From all I can see, and from all the things the various Engineers and technical experts that have witnessed in the video tapes and live demonstrations, so far the device appears to be most genuine.
David Doleshal PhD.
800-920-4292
PO BOX 5165
Balboa Island, CA.
92662
THE ?TPU? POWER SOURCE

I have been asked to prepare this document to address some criticism, which may exist in relation to the ?TPU? power source as developed by Steven Mark. I have seen the various videotapes and have attended live demonstrations of the device in operation. I have also received the feedback and comments of various engineers and experts in electronics and electrical power generation who have also seen the tapes and witnessed live demonstrations.

First of all, there has been some considerable speculation as to the origins of the ?TPU? technology and who actually owns it. It was conceived and developed by Steven Mark and is owned by Universal Energy Corporation and has been legally owned by that company since 1992. I have personally seen the various contracts and summary evidence myself to conclude that the ?TPU? technology is owned by Universal Energy Corporation. I have heard that someone named Brian Collins in Australia has claimed that he invented the technology and has used some of the videotapes to gather sums of money from would be investors. This activity is criminal and Brian Collins did not invent the technology and does not own it or have the right to sell any part of it in any way. Additionally, there have been others that have found a way to ?Cash In? by using the videotapes and claiming they own or represent the technology in some way. This is all very unfortunate because the ?TPU? is a real power source and deserves to be developed by legitimate means. These people in Australia and other places have taken advantage of, and grievously injured the inventor (Steven Mark) and legal owners (UEC) of the ?TPU?.

The second point of criticism is that the ?TPU? is a fake and doesn?t really work. I have received the input of a variety of engineers and technical people. Most relevant is the feedback from two highly qualified individuals. The first of these is Chris Campbell, an experienced Radio Engineer from California, and the second is Roland Shinzinger, a well known authority on power systems, and a Professor Emeritus of Engineering, (UCI).
Mr. Campbell was selected by myself because of his well known expertise in radio and microwave transmission devises. Mr. Campbell was asked to be as skeptical and critical as possible regarding potential ways that these effects might be faked. Dr. Schinzinger was hired by an outside firm and presumably given similar instructions to examine the device for possible fraud or trickery.

Mr. Campbell made it very clear that it was virtually impossible to transmit the necessary energy via radio or electromagnetic means of a magnitude necessary to light all the light bulbs seen lit in the demonstrations. This is especially true because of the inventor?s willingness to drive around town and perform the demonstration anyplace desired.

Neither Campbell nor Dr. Schinzinger, nor any of the other technical personal have been able to find any evidence of fraud or trickery. Nor have they been able to offer a plausible explanation of how the device actually functions.

The ?TPU? units apparently heat up to a potentially dangerous level after a considerable period of time, and must be shut off at that point. This makes some people suspicious of a battery that is being depleted and which must be recharged after a few minutes. However, after having cooled down, the inventor has always managed to start the unit up again and light the lamps again for the same amount of time as before, until the unit heats up again, without removing the device from the observers sight to be ?recharged?. This can apparently be done any number of times, such as the cumulative ?ON? time can be extended to at least 30 or 40 minutes. This is several times longer then the theoretical limit of any kind of concealed battery pack that I, the battery experts or electrical engineers have yet been able to discover. I have personally seen this demonstration at least fifty times.

In point of fact, there is in existence a video tape showing a ?TPU? putting out over 1,000 Volts and lighting ten 100 Watt/ 120 volt light bulbs in series for ten minutes. (I have seen this demonstration in person several times). In order to light ten 120 Volt, 100 Watt bulbs for even five minutes, the size and weight of the batteries necessary would need to be quite large.  I have discussed this issue with a number of battery experts who have assured me that such a power supply made of batteries would need to weigh somewhere between 25 and 70 pounds or more.  When I asked if there is not some way, perhaps using Nickel-Cadmium or Lithium batteries or some other kind of exotic or extremely expensive batteries, to make such a unit that would weigh less than 20 pounds, they have frequently laughed at the absurdity of the suggestion, insisting that I am asking the impossible.  One battery expert told me that by using some kind of extraordinarily expensive new military spec Lithium batteries that he has heard of (but never seen), it might be possible to get closer to a figure of 20 pounds, but that he knew of no battery in existence that would actually power ten 120 volt, 100 watt bulbs for even five minutes that could possibly weigh under 20 pounds.  Since the total weight of the larger ?TPU? unit in the demonstration is only about 6 lbs., it seems impossible to do this even if the entire weight of the device consisted only of batteries.  The bottom line is; the ?TPU? ain?t a battery.

I understand that an Engineer, Michael Fennell, has written a paper comparing the small ?TPU? in W-Hr / Kg to all the various battery types currently available. In this paper the ?TPU? has an energy storage advantage over the best (Lithium-iron Disulfide) battery of almost three to one!
So, even if the ?TPU? were nothing more then a battery, it must be some new kind of fantastic battery. Therefore, in itself very valuable, regardless.

As a final word, I must say that ?I saw what I saw?. As unbelievable to me as it is. From all I can see, and from all the things the various Engineers and technical experts that have witnessed in the video tapes and live demonstrations, so far the device appears to be most genuine.
David Doleshal PhD.
800-920-4292
PO BOX 5165
Balboa Island, CA.
92662


Roland Schinzinger
Ph.D.
29 Gilman St. Irvine, CA 92715-2703, Phone & FAX: (714) 786-7691

Dear Stephen,

Thank you for your kind words of sympathy regarding my loss. We both share similar feelings.

In your letter you asked my opinion:  I think it is a miracle that your device works. Exactly how it converts energy is elusive to both of us at this time. That does not mean we shouldn't apply ourselves to know for sure. My offer to work with you still stands. I understand your difficulties with the gentlemen you work for and I will not take your decision personally. I will be glad to talk to you and help you all I can. My offer to work on the project was made with the greatest respect and not as some kind of justification to the Foremost Corporation. I told them that from what I could see of your units they did supply substantial amounts of both voltage and current. I told them I could not give any indication of the value of the discovery without knowing more about it. I did recommend that they invest necessary funds to continue working on the discovery and that I was interested in working with you. That is about all I said to them on the subject. Anything you may have heard to the contrary is not true.

To further our discussion, the reason you can not use small transformers within or at close proximity to your unit is because of the leakage fields of magnetic flux. They induce currents into nearby circuitry and most likely cause frequency changes in the operating point of the control unit. Remember when you inject even a small frequency component into sensitive frequency dependant equipment you can have a disaster. That is exactly what I believe is occurring when you try to use a transformer close to your units.  There will be all kinds of harmonics present within this field extending past the radio frequency range. If I were to compare the two I would say that toroidal transformers would be more susceptible. This may be contrary to common thought. Toroidal transformers have all their flux aligned with the grain of the steel used in them. This is the reason for their reduced size as compared with E I cores. When operated at higher flux density you can permit a smaller core. Toroids will always saturate quickly, however, E I transformers ramp up to saturation levels slowly. If anything, I would suggest you work with E I rather then Toroids. In either case I believe you will find that you will have to place the inverter well outside the collector coils.

You may also leave a message for me at my office at the University of California Irvine.

Sincerely,

Roland

RESUME   ROLAND SCHINZINGER

Dept. of Electrical and Computer Engineering  (UCI)
Professor Emeritus of Electrical Engineering  (UCI)
PhD, Univ. California, Berkeley    1966
MS,   ?      1954
BS,   ?      1953
Westinghouse Design School / U. of Pittsburgh  1955
Apprenticeship (Technikum), Bosch Co.   1947
High School (Doitsu Gakuin, Tokyo, Abitur)  1945

Academic Appointments:

(UCI) Associate Dean 1979-83, 1985-86
(UCB)Teaching Fellow 1963-65
Robert College Istanbul Turkey:
Associate Professor 1962-63
Associate Professor 1958-62

University of California, energ. & Mgt. (Grad Program) 1991-92
California State Polytechnic University    1978-80
University of Santa Maria, Brazil     1993
University of Kariruhe, Germany-
Power and High Voltage Institute     1986
University of Manchester Inst. Of Science and Tech.-
And Imperial College, London:     1972-73

Honors:

Fellow, Institute of Electrical and Electronics Eng.,(IEEE)
Fellow, Institute for the Advancement of Engineering
Award for Contributions to Professionalism (IEEE)
1983 Centennial Medal (IEEE)
Science Faculty Fellow (Natl. Sc. Foundation)   1964-65
Sangamo Prize Fellowship (Sangamo Electric)   1953
Honor Societies HKN, TBN, Sigma xi
Listed in ?Who?s Who, Am. Men & Women in Science and Engineering

Publications:

Over 70 technical papers, plus numerous reports and commentaries.
Also four books: Ethics in Engineering   McGraw-Hill
   Conformal Mapping   P.A.Laura
   Emergencies in Water Delivery Davis Pub.
   Electrical Laboratory   SIMA Ltd.






This does not satisfy everybody ..there are times when I tear my remaining hair out ...but the are time of clarity and i urge you to discover this part of yourself .. It is  important to you for many things and vital for this.   

lancaIV

Recitation:(Keelynet) Room Temp Superconductor/Negative Resistor ?

From.DMBOSS1021
Date:Mon,31 Jul 2000

Hi Folks:
Found this patent claiming a process for fabricating a room temperature
superconductor,that also seems to become a negative resistor,gaining
or collecting energy in one mode of it`s use !

http://www.patents.ibm.com/details? &pn=US04325795__

"Process for forming ambient temperature superconducting filaments "
"Bourgoin,Ronald C."

"Abstract:
This invention is a process for forming electrical conductors in the form
of filaments which exhibit properties of electrical superconductivity at ambient
or normal room temperature.The process includes the preparation of a molten
mixture of conducting and insulator materials,the introduction of the nearly
homogeneous mixture between electrodes across which a voltage is applied causing fine filaments to be formed having a diameter within the range of
10 to 1.000 A.The filaments thus formed give almost no resistance to the passage of the electricity therethrough at room temperature thus effectively
forming an ambient temperature superconductor."

This patent describes the theory,and investigative journey that led to this
discovery,from others work. And also describes how the material is made,
and the subsequent tests.

It is using an anomalous property of Bismuth,when formed in a very thin
filament,and being formed in a molten state,under the influence of a high
electric field applied to the ends of the filaments as it cools/crystalizes.

It describes a simple apparatus to do this.and to make an array of these
filaments,encased in an insulating matrix so that the overall power of the
composite superconducting "cable" is quite high.

Apparently in tests,it was found that the overall circuit resistance of a sample
of the filament array,connected to normal leads,was actually less than
the resistance of the leads by themselves,demonstrating a negative resistance-
or extra energy input by the filament structure !

......
Sincerely,
            DMBoss1021

-Recitation end.!

Probably a little more "light" !

Sincerly
          de Lanca

Liberty

Quote from: Mannix on April 24, 2006, 04:53:39 PM
...The inventor that is Steven, has an agreement with UEC that prevents him from going into too much detail.It is a fine line for him .

...First of all, there has been some considerable speculation as to the origins of the ?TPU? technology and who actually owns it. It was conceived and developed by Steven Mark and is owned by Universal Energy Corporation and has been legally owned by that company since 1992. I have personally seen the various contracts and summary evidence myself to conclude that the ?TPU? technology is owned by Universal Energy Corporation.


I have written to UEC to ask them for the patent number and when they will bring the device forward.
I will make another post when (or if) I get an answer.  Here is the content of the questions:

I understand that your company has the TPU (Toroidal Power Unit) invented by Steven Marks.  Are you going to release patent information on this device and introduce it for market soon?

Liberty
Liberty

"Converting Magnetic Force Into Motion"
Liberty Permanent Magnet Motor

Elvis Oswald

Mannix - it is your attitude, and your name-calling that wastes time.

Considering the time that this has been floating around... it's perfectly acceptable, logical, and polite to question the reality of the situation.  Why do you have to react like I called Steven or his device a fraud?

Assuming the letter posted from Michael Fennell (in 1997) is 100% accurate - then there is (or was) a working device.  But that still doesn't take away from the validity of my complaint.  The implications of such a device are greater than patents and NDAs... especially after this amount of time.

The letter from Roland Schinzinger (above) iindicates that Steven has no idea how the device works.  Maybe that is the problem.  If that is the case, it *might* indicate the true motive for involving others while closely guarding the actual cricuit design.
It's my opinion that this is too damned important for anyone to be worried about future profit.