The downfalls of conventional electrolysis - and how to fix them

[dutchy1966]

Hi,

Still wondering about the liquid electrodes.....

We mix NaOH into water  --> Na+ and OH- and H2O solution

If we put a magnetic field through this, the ions get deflected by lorentz force. So the Na+ and OH- go in opposite direction and it would seem they create the liquid electrodes on either side of the containing vessel.
Something like:

Na+ Na+  H2O H2O H2O OH- OH-
Na+ Na+  H2O H2O H2O OH- OH-
Na+ Na+  H2O H2O H2O OH- OH-
Na+ Na+  H2O H2O H2O OH- OH-
Na+ Na+  H2O H2O H2O OH- OH-
Na+ Na+  H2O H2O H2O OH- OH-

IF this is the way to do it then there are some things to think about while pulsing the liquid. If we let the magnetic field completely collapse we will get a magnetic field in the other direction and this will influence the ions again (will be deflected in the other direction). We will probably never get the right liquid electrodes that way. All it is doing is shaking the Ions back and forth.....
So maybe we have to pulsate the magnetic field but NOT let it collapse completely.... 

Just my two cents worth....

Dutchy

[niofox]

@niofox,
the pvc is supposed to be 1 inch in diameter. The half inch is just too small although ok if you just want to find out if the idea works. You dont need much solution to fill it up. Good luck.
Serge

Quite right sir, I tend to miss details :S
But now that I think about it ... if I concentrate the magnetic field on a smaller area would that be similar to increasing the field strength on the original area size?
Indeed I do just want to see if the idea works, but winding coils has never been an easy thing for me, so increasing from 800 turns say to 1600 would be way more hassle the just using a smaller container.  Well, I'm just going on common sense here, I never seem to be able to grasp the nature of magnetic fields properly ... let me know if I've got it all wrong before I waste a lot of time 

[ramset]

Plain Jane magnet does tho job.

http://www.electricitybook.com/magnetism/

Chet

[slapper]

Got a hold of some Roebic crystal drain opener from a local Ace Hardware store. I let the first mix get away from me and by the end of the day the milky white solution was solidified. Could barely stick my stir rod in it. I now have a more syrupy solution with my second attempt with the Roebic crystals. It is not settling clear.

The 80-85 watt electronic ballasts that I have sense if the correct load is on the induction coil assembly. If the load current or resonant frequency is not within the proper operating range a relay cycles and disconnects the output drive.

To fake a load I've slipped in a ring of aluminum, down toward the base, before I slide the container over the induction coil. The top of the aluminum ring is up 1-1/2 inches off from the base of the induction coil assembly. The ballast stays on now and heats the aluminum ring underneath the container to an uncomfortable level. But no bubbles in the solution yet.

So far I have not been able to compensate for the operating range by placing anything inside the induction coil's cavity.

I've not been able to get enough clear data from my gauss meter. The frequency seems to be to high. Can not figure that one out as I know how fast those hall sensors can be. I'll keep working on it. A single turn loop of wire shows a strong field.

Take care.

nap

[passion1]

Here is the Magneto RF circuit that Alaskastar said was working...