The downfalls of conventional electrolysis - and how to fix them

[StihlWoody]

I have been reading up here...

and here:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5809-closed-loop-electrolyser-5.html

and it seems that Chet wants to move forward, LTBOLO is willing to make an attempt, Oswaldonfire simplified it for everyone, Farrah demands numbers yet unable to publish her numbers...

How can we move this forward?

While I was gone, my brother was watching the house, and he sold my unit for the copper to buy dope!  DAMN HIM!

Oh well, I can build another unit...

Now, again, without all the political BS, can anyone cut through the crap and just try, show what you built, how you built it, the specs, and the results?

Simple, simple, simple.

Just build, photograph, and post results, the good the bad and the ugly...

Stihl cutting through the crap makes for some stinky saw chippings!

StihlWoody

[ramset]

SW
Ok we have
1.Niu Fox
2.gwandau
3.Iflew my own
4.stihlwoody
5.Hydrodude 12
6.iquant
7.vickers
8.the cell
9.Ltbolo
10.farrah??
11Chet
12.passion1
If I'm missing someone??
so far 3 and 8
have reported an attempt # 10 filed no report!
#12 had no success [Yet]



Chet is going to file a report on iquants suggestion tomorrow although it might be simular to #3's

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[StihlWoody]

Question regarding coils, but first I will fill in as much information as possible, so that we may find an answer:

2 coils, identical, from wire length, number of wraps, spacing of the wraps, everything identical.  I used micrometers to get this as perfect as possible to have 2 exacting and matching coils.

Now one coil will resonate the other (in a tranciever setup) using 1.233 ohms on a 10pico-farad capacitor.  The other will only tune in when I change the resistance to 1.276 using a 10pico-farad capacitor.

WHY IS THIS???

Now when relating this to the topic at hand...

Any one of us can build a unit, give exacting dimensions, etc, etc, etc...and it works, so someone builds it and it doesn't work.

Should we be finding not just the resonance of the water, the sodium and such but ALSO OF THE COIL ITSELF?

Just a thought here....

StihlWoody

[ramset]

More insight,

LtBolo 


From what I noticed from the older threads was that Chris tossed out an idea that he claimed worked for him. Then varying degrees of spatting caused that to degrade into hurt feelings and chaos. Did Chris owe anybody anything then? Does he now?

Please understand, I am anything but Chris' or anybody else' groupie. Quite to contrary, I have a successful business (evil business...this is where everybody jumps down my throat) that I started over 18 years ago. My interest in any of this is a healthy balance between altruism and capitalism. If I see something that makes some sense, I'm interested. Do I care about petty egos and crap like that. Uh, hardly. Didn't get where I am by letting human nonsense get in the way, and the affirmation of random names on a forum full of crazies is not something that I need. My interest is financial well-being while helping human-kind solve some pressing needs.

That said, I personally think there might be something to this when viewed as an extension of John Kansius' experiments. Chris is clearly not university educated and may not have a clue as to the whys and wherefores. That is irrelevant. Sometimes not knowing what's not possible is what makes it possible.

I would also suggest that your value system may or may not be his. I completely agree with what you say...something this important should be pursued. He is a young guy working long hours living paycheck to paycheck in the Alaskan interior. I am a well-off businessman. From a purely Maslow perspective, we must see things differently. I am sure that at other times of my life I would have seen this differently. Even if I did understand the importance (probably wouldn't have) I would likely not have had the resources for it to matter.

Do I believe? No. Can I build a case why it might be true? Yes.


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Originally Posted by Farrah Day 
Hi LtBolo
There should be some doubt in your mind here. Where would the ions be exchanging charges for a start? This will not work, nothing will happen.

Didn't say anything about ions. I said a length of copper wire. Last time I checked copper wire generated current when subjected to a varying magnetic field. If that fails to work, transformers will cease to work, and I feel pretty good about them continuing to work.

If the wire is long enough and the field changes rapidly enough, the voltage induced at the ends of the wire will be high enough to dissociate water. I assume that process will scale down if I cut the wire in half. Try that again a few billion times. At what point does it cease to work?

That in itself wouldn't be the slightest bit interesting...except...when the conductor becomes so small that a coherent magnetic field cannot be produced, it might...might...confuse Lenz. If so, it might...might...be possible to produce the effect at a considerable energy discount. Given that Kansius demonstrated something dangerously close to what we are describing, I think there is a strong enough case to warrant further investigation.

Until and unless you can recreate Kansius results via magnetic induction, I think the rest of the discussion is somewhat academic. After doing so...and since RF is just EM it should be possible...then reasonable discussions of questions 2 and 3 should be pursued.
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[Poit]

hi everyone,
i have an idea that i want to implement in regards to electrolosis. i have a question, if the question has already been answered somewhere in this thread/forum, then sorry

Is there a guide to make a petrol or gas engine run off brown gas? i gather it would have to be a 4 stroke (as it would be extremely difficult to lubricate a 2 stroke with browns gas).

my idea in a nut shell:
To have a large bank of 5v 1F capacitors (say, 20) that get a plused charge from the alternator attached to the engine. Portable generator is my aim, like in the youtube videos on the main page - the anton hho closed loop setup. My idea is that the output energy from the alterator pulsed into the capacitors (that electrolisis the water) should be less energy than is required to run the generator to begin with, +100% effiency. i could be (and most likly am) wildly wrong but in any case, I want to experiment.

thanks,
pete