The downfalls of conventional electrolysis - and how to fix them

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This effect as rediscovered by Chris Hunter [Arctictek.com]

Takes 1 watt of power to make 1200 liters of HHO in 1 minute!
              [5 watts 5 minutes 5700 liters of HHO]
           
As witnessed by Oswaldonfire, Chris Hunter And several other replicaters.

We are here to "Open source" this Replication.
and utilize every possible resource at our disposal!

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I like this Guy!!
He definately has an opinion!

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5809-closed-loop-electrolyser-4.html#post109103

iquant 
Junior Member   Join Date: Aug 2010
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Proof of concept at this stage is to induce the NaOH separation / Na H20 reaction. Lets focus on the magnetic induction piece of this puzzle and see if bubbles can be replicated. Maybe use common commercially available products for consistent replications.

Induction Lighting

"Induction lamps require a correctly matched electronic ballast for proper operation. The ballast takes the incoming mains AC voltage [or DC voltage in the case of 12V and 24V ballasts] and rectifies it to DC. Solid state circuitry then converts this DC current to a very high frequency which is between 2.65 and 13.6 MHz depending on lamp design."

Do we not have a DC problem?

What frequency? 2.65, 13.56 or 250Khz

Internal self ballasted or External-coil Induction Lamps?

How about using an Induction Hot Plate?
Litz wire is used to reduce the skin effect and proximity effect losses coils.


$59 Hot Platehttp://www.walmart.com/ip/GE-Electric-Induction-Cooker/8224072

"In each of the electronics modules, the 240V, 60Hz domestic line power was converted to between 20V and 200V of continuously variable DC by a phase-controlled rectifier. That DC power was in turn converted to 27 kHz AC by two arrays of six paralleled Motorola automotive-ignition transistors in a half-bridge configuration driving a series-resonaYou may already have an induction heater in your house.

ie a glass topped stove/cooker.

Now all u need is a beaker or a glass saucepan, or a plastic cup or a drinking glass, or a paper cup etc.. Non conductive vessel!
Half fill with with sodium hydroxide solution and turn on full.
Nothing happens.
Add a stainless teaspoon to the mix and try again.
   
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iquant 
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Any ideas on disabling the Safety circuits?

7-Point Safety System

Beyond a flameless & cool to the touch cooking surface, Fagor’s built-in induction cooktops are also equipped with the following important safety features:

* Overflow Safety: Stops the cooktop if food is spilled over the touch controls
* Cookware Detection: The cooktop will switch off automatically if no cookware is placed on it within one minute
* Small Utensil Safety: Surface will not activate unless the pan placed on the cooktop is at least 5" in diameter
* Anti-Overheating: Disables temperature at 575 F
* In case of improper electrical connection, the cooktop is automatically protected


nt LC oscillator, of which the inductor component was the induction-heating coil and its load, the cooking pan."
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Iquant
Nothing like a man who takes a Bull by the Horns!
Thank  you Brother!
Chet

[StihlWoody]

Let me tell you about Alaska...

FROST HEAVES!!  THEM ROADS ARE NUTS!!!

And Chris/Alaska is a modern DUKES OF HAZZARD DRIVER!!!  He see's the speed limit as 'suggestive' and lives out of town in a 'Double Fine Safety Corridor' because people can't seem to figure out how to drive without crashing.  Well, he doesn't get into wrecks, but I bet he's the cause of them!!  DAMN HE DRIVES FAST!!!

Ever been airborne in a CAR?

So he may be an idiot behind the wheel, and Wasilla is tiny folks.  That town is so damned small that you can literally stand on the hill behind Home Depot and see both CITY LIMITS!!

Ok, so his shop is not huge, but it's filled with all sorts of neato stuff that he's working on.  He's got a shelf (ok many shelves...but one in particular) had Jaguar V6 engines stacked neatly on it (curious...will it make a resounding thug in an earthquake??) he has 6 huge tool boxes, all sorts of machining tools, materials to work with and bolt bins everywhere you look all sorts of fasteners that you can't find at the hardware store.  One area dedicated to just electronics, one for metal, and the other is pretty deep in shavings from making shit. 

That motor he's building....VERY LIGHTWEIGHT!!! the thing can be carried under ONE ARM!!  He painted it metallic blue for some reason...

So the other thing he's working on is a thermal engine of some sort, and I admit that I don't fully understand it, but he built home-made heat exchangers that I wish I could bring home with me....and camshafts, and geartrains, and loads of stuff he's tried to make it work.  He's pretty good at taking an idea to reality for what he's focused on.

He's got all sorts of cars, trucks, tractors, and stuff around the yard, and regularly drives an old gray Ford tractor (think he said made in 1942) that he restored by himself in 3 days after the radiator blew out.  But he drives it to snarl traffic because it's legal and nobody stops him.

So you should see the racks of parts at his disposal guys!!  MILES OF EVERY TYPE OF WIRE!!  STACKS AND BINS OF NEO MAGNETS!!  PIPES FITTINGS, ADHESIVES, PLASTICS, METALS, WOOD, ROLLS OF MATERIAL, RUBBER, FIBER, KEVLAR, COTTON... You name it!

HOLY SHIT!  THIS GUY HAS A SHOP!!

He's average height, and recently cut all his long hair off after "an incident" with CPVC Cement involving a shelf and a loose can and his hair...so he's got a buzz cut.  His desk is covered with papers, computer parts, tools, parts, hardware, bolts, nuts, wires, drill bits, books, you name it!

He doesn't have a tv...weird...

He's got this bonfire going...and going...and going.  He poured 5 gallons of diesel fuel (ok splashed) onto his bonfire to get it going again for the day and my god that sumbitch was HOT!!!

He's appears to be athletic, and spends a lot of time hiking, showed me a spot up "Hatcher's Pass" where the parking is free, the view is phenomenal and you can climb up every peak all day long.

He's got a zillion ideas, most of them I don't understand, like a Hall Thruster used to electrolyze water vapor in a pipe?  What the heck is a Hall Thruster?

He's opposed to oil in the worst of ways, and yet lives in an oil state...hmm...

His girl is pretty (WOOHOO!! WOW!!) and she welds, runs torch, fixes cars, operates heavy equipment, can bust a tire in no time, and looks like a beach babe.  She's also a florist at a local store called CARRS.

So other than seeing a lot of scenery at 90+ MPH...and touring his shop, I didn't have many intelligible questions for him. 

He's 28, and his birthday is the shortest day of the year, so he jokes about party all night.  I guess this is about sunlight.  At 8:00 PM, the sun is still very high, as in the same as about 3:00 pm in Oregon, which I find quite weird. 

He's got people calling him all the time, and people stopping by all the time, he's fluent in deaf language and offers the simplest solutions to people needing repairs.  You would not believe how busy this guy is!  He's gotta be insane because without coffee I wouldn't make it to breakfast following his shadow! He hates coffee.  He doesn't drink, and doesn't smoke.  So I know he's nuts.

He's been to Washington, Oregon, California, and Hawaii.  He is planning to drive the electric car through Canada someday soon, once it's running.

Hmm...what else?

I didn't ask about the magnetolysis, because I was looking over the other stuff he's doing. 

He's got a thing for "world music" which isn't heard here in Oregon on the radio, and in particular he's got a liking for music from Senegal.  It sounds like gibberish, only because I don't get the language, but whatever....

So he modifies everything.  Nothing stays original at his place.  Everything is modified, but it WORKS.  His 1942 Ford is modded, and with a 1/4 turn of the hand crank when it's cold, it fires right up.  His van is modded out, bigger water pump, transmission modifications (what is a "lube dam") and suspension mods. 

Guys, at first glace, he's an average joe, but be goes from level to level with people, and to watch him work is impressive unto itself.  People keep flowing to him for things to be fixed or worked on, and no business signage at his place, they come, he fixes, they drop cash and he's happy.

Sorry for the long post...but I thought you guys would like some insight.

StihlWoody

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SW

So the rumers aren't true? That he 's a smarmy ,milktoast geek that lives in an old boot ,and sits around knitting "FLUX Capaciters" out of old toaster wire, while humming the old "Davey Crocket" jingle??

Thanks for the insight!,Sounds like a man that lives life to the fullest!

His energy level sounds Super Human and I love that he doesn't do TV or any other drugs!

Thanks
Chet
PS
SW
What no pics??
Freakin Alaska and no pics? a samon egg? a grizzly? a tree?
How bout a nice Mountain pic?

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 Vickers

They have a thermal cut off switch. Coil gets to hot it cuts off.
All these safety features boil down to a thermal switch.
Fool proof.
U can balance the reaction by adjusting the simmerstat

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Cool experiment... but same result. Energy loss.
   
Vickers

Wanna get real. Go over unity...etc...Look at that big hot shiny thing in the sky. What is its primary fuel source? Why does it not burn out? What is the secret? why does it burn continually? Why is mankind more interested in weird reality TV shows?
Simple answer. Hydrogen will burn hot/react enough with earth metals to create a self sustaining flame/temperature.
Any issues with this? Ask the sun.

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Sounds like we are gonna need a strong magnet and some mayonaise jars soon!

Chet

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Posted at OU power by hydrodude12

   

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Sorry to revive a bit of an old post... but I think I may have come up with the balanced equations that FarrahDay was after.

They are redox reactions, with three steps:

Na plus H+ --> Na+ plus H (H bubbles out of solution as a monatomic gas molecule)

Na+ plus OH- --> Na plus H+ plus O plus e- (O bubbles out of solution)

e- plus Na plus H2O --> Na+ plus OH- plus H+


As for the source of electrons that FarrahDay was talking about, I believe that there is no external source.

Just as in conventional electrolysis where the electrodes are the electron source, and an electron is taken from one electrode simultaneously as another is given to the other electrode, the Na atom serves as the electrode.

This is the SAME EXACT PROCESS, just on a smaller scale and using a different method of energizing the electrodes. Take a 6 inch sqaure electrode, and size it down to one atom in length. It will work exactly the same as the full size one, just at a much much smaller scale. Now take trillions of trillions of trillions of these electrodes, and that is where we get the extraordinary production of Alaska's cell.

As you can see by the second and third equations, an electron is given up and then it is taken right back. The magnetic field simply catalyzes and provides the activation energy for these reactions.