The downfalls of conventional electrolysis - and how to fix them

[Magluvin]

one more thing. From what I know, dc works better at producing hho better than ac. But I dont know if that applies here. And we all know that the field needs to fluctuate to produce current in a conductor. I would also try some low freq ac. It has a longer dc component which might work.
I read 5 amps input. Does anyone have an ohm reading of a coil according to the directions so far? The voltage can be calculated V=IxR   just to get a base going.
Now if it took an average of 5 amps to charge a cap for discharge, the this would produce a lot of energy considering the size of the discharge cap.
But if it is ac, the voltage requirements might be higher as freq goes up, considering the coil impedance. But as long as we have a way to measure the current at around 5 amps, at whatever voltage or freq together produces 5 amps, someone should be able to get close keeping these things in mind.
But then again, 5 amps where?  In the coil? From a 12v supply battery?
Just ideas

Mags

pasted from the repl. thread

[ramset]

I'm going to start to post relevant info for a replication attempt today,
I will modify this post through out the day,between conversations and emails and past posts of Chris Hunter,

I'm trying to get this Autism project up to schedule at the same time

From an Email
Chris Hunter

I know you will post this for everyone to see, so for the person's privacy, I have blanked his name, and his email.

You have been seeking independent validation of various theories that I came up with, and successful replication.  The person I have been conversing with will probably see this and shoot me, but he, like me, would rather stay out of the public forums and the stew-pot of feces that is found there.

Like I stated from the beginning, this is, has been, and always will be far simpler than you can imagine.  You have always the option of making it super complicated.

Now I was asked a question regarding his build and his design with a stumbling block, and I answered his problem, which has relevance to what you are working on, for that is the only reason I am sharing it with you.  Keep in mind that my non-participation in the forum and his non-participation in the forum is not something that says that I am hiding anything.  This guy has the brains enough to figure it out, for all it's simplicity, and use it.

How hard can it be?

So, I am sharing this with you in confidence that it would not be twisted around, but the knowledge gained and applied, proven, can be used to teach others, so that they my indeed understand such simple concepts.

Chris

[ZathEros]

Ltbolo
Quote:
It is obvious to me that nearly any coil of a length needed to generate a significant magnetic field is also going to have enough inductance that high frequency drive will be difficult at any real power level. That leaves me pretty skeptical that 17MHz could happen
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Sounds like a problem!!
Some peeps make their livin solving problems like this,
I'm glad you posted this,Its actually the first real info from an attempt in recent times.

Actually Not much of a problem at all.
Most radio transmitters are set up to output into a 50 ohm impedance  (load).
This can easily be achieved by taking whatever coil you are using attaching one end of the coil to the center conductor of the feed coax and the other end to a 50 ohm  non inductive resistor, and the other end of the resistor grounded to the earth and coax shield.
Ham radio operators use this trick all the time.
the radio sees the desired impedance, and you will realize significant  RF power through the coil.
There are inexpensive  tuners that can be used to improve the load into the antenna.

Also be aware RF voltage is Waaay different than DC voltage. A CB set can develop several hundred RF volts on a properly tuned antenna.

As for the 17 Mhz I am curious where you came up with that number.
I read through Kanzius's patent and 17 Mhz is not mentioned.
27.12  Mhz is and that is at the top of the CB Band (11 meter) band.

Excerpt from Kanzius patent relating to specific frequencies.

<Certain RF absorption enhancers of the present invention (e. g., those using TILs as a carrier) may be internalized by target cells. Additionally, it may be desirable to surgically-place certain RF absorption enhancers in a patient, e. g., metallic radioactive "seeds. " [0055] RF hyperthermia generating signal may have a frequency corresponding to a selected parameter of an RF enhancer, e. g., 13.56 MHz, 27.12 MHz, 915 MHz, 1.2 GHz. Several RF frequencies have been allocated for industrial, scientific, and medical (ISM) equipment, e. g.: 6.78 MHz #15.0 kHz; 13.56 MHz #7.0 kHz; 27.12 MHz #163.0 kHz; 40.68 MHz #20.0 kHz; 915 MHz #13.0 MHz; 2450 MHz #50.0 MHz. See Part 18 of Title 47 of the Code of Federal Regulations. It is believed that hyperthermia generating RF signals at sequentially higher frequency harmonics of 13.56 MHz will penetrate into respectively deeper tissue, e. g., a hyperthermia generating RF signal at 27.12 MHz will penetrate deeper than at 13.56 MHz, a hyperthermia generating RF signal at 40.68 MHz will penetrate deeper than at 27.12 MHz, a hyperthermia generating RF signal at 54.24 MHz will penetrate deeper than at 40.68 MHz, a hyperthermia generating RF signal at 67.80 MHz will penetrate deeper than at 54.24 MHz, a hyperthermia generating RF signal at 81.36 MHz will penetrate deeper than at 67.80 MHz, and so on (up to higher RF frequencies that may heat the skin uncomfortably or bum the skin). The optimum depth level is selected based upon antibodies used, and the physical size of the patient, the location and depth of the target area, and the tumor involved. As discussed above, combinations of two or more different frequencies may be used, e. g., a lower frequency RF component (such as 13.56 MHz) and a higher frequency component (such as 40.68 MHz) to target different tissue depths with the same hyperthermia generating RF signal.>

Kanzius's pantent here:
http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description;jsessionid=671BD55E4F48A0C7FE47C05EC9A9B720.espacenet_levelx_prod_4?CC=WO&NR=2005120639A2&KC=A2&FT=D&date=20051222&DB=&locale=

I have been slowly collecting the bits I feel are necessary to begin experimentation with this effect. But am still not quite ready yet.
Time and space to do it are at a premium at the moment.

There are a lot of links on the web for antenna design.
google "beverage antenna"

Zatheros-

[ramset]

Zatheros,
Thank you for the breath of fresh air!
Who knows what a "dipole" [antenna]
is really capable of doing at the right freQ in the right media?

Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this.
Chet

[ramset]

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