The downfalls of conventional electrolysis - and how to fix them

[ramset]

Gentlemen,
If you're interests are Open source over unity
Grumpy[sigma 16] started a thread here

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9749.msg257229#new

Chet

[StihlWoody]

Chet,

I don't think you understand Iquant's statement.

100% saturation of NaOH in water.

Induction heating.

Keep it below the boiling temp of water, but above 65.1 degrees. 

NaOH separates to Na+O+H.

The now liberated Na now goes for the nearest H20 molecule, breaking it into NaOH+H

Water becomes the reagent.

MAYBE.... JUST MAYBE!!!  MAYBE...the 5 watts was all the power needed to MAINTAIN THE INDUCTION HEATING AFTER THE REACTION STARTS!!!!

If this is the case, then water will need to be added to the solution as hydrogen gas is released.

If this is as simple as it looks, then we now have the energy breakthrough needed!!!!

Every home, office, car, plane, bus, boat...everything can now be powered on water!!!

I HOPE THIS WORKS!!!

StihlWoody

[ramset]

SW
I have been a little distracted ,I get the jist of what iquant and dutchy are saying
We need to move forward with this !

ANYBODY!
give us suggestions !

We will do the experiments!

Chet

[iquant]

Maybe a few experimenters can post energy consumption results for standard electrolysis of Super Saturated NaOH at different temps.

20C - Room Temp
66C - Just > NaOH Melting Point < Na Melting Point
99C - > Na melting point < H20 Boiling Temp.
135C < boiling point of 50% NaOH concentration.

Not sure what the boiling point is for super saturated NaOH but I do know the vapor fumes are highly toxic.
My guess is we can run much hotter than 140C as saturation % increases probably up to 300C. 

There is much activity in the area of NAS batteries being researched by the Govt.  Cerematec / Coorstec  and NKG of Japan are leading the way.  NKG uses Beta Alumina operating > 300C - 600C and Cerematec utilizes NaSICON at around 100 C.  The reason for NKG's high temp was to reduce resistance.  Cerematec is working on a Sodium Sulfur Battery for Home Grid Applications.   About the size of a small fridge 20KWH 15 year life... $2k.

[dutchy1966]

SW
I have been a little distracted ,I get the jist of what iquant and dutchy are saying
We need to move forward with this !

ANYBODY!
give us suggestions !

We will do the experiments!

Chet

Chet,

I've annotated one of the picture from the patent WO 2010/066025 A1.
Hopefully this makes it clear to you what is explained and claimed for in it.

regards

Dutchy