The downfalls of conventional electrolysis - and how to fix them

[oswaldonfire]

You seem to be right on the money, atlantex. You are correct that the only way to provide power is by a magnetic field. For now, let's forget about the container. Because if you use the container for an electrode, then we are still limited by that lack of surface area.

Now comes the hard part, with lots of tiny details on the edge of known science. Have you heard of a process called magnetic induction? We must induce a current into the particles using a changing magnetic field.

Another problem - what would you do about oxidation problems? The increased surface area also opens up more opportunities for chemical reactions - oxidation. So far as I know, there is only one solution. (Besides using a metal that is not easily oxidized.. and also very expensive!)

[bolt]

You seem to be right on the money, atlantex. You are correct that the only way to provide power is by a magnetic field. For now, let's forget about the container. Because if you use the container for an electrode, then we are still limited by that lack of surface area.

Now comes the hard part, with lots of tiny details on the edge of known science. Have you heard of a process called magnetic induction? We must induce a current into the particles using a changing magnetic field.

Another problem - what would you do about oxidation problems? The increased surface area also opens up more opportunities for chemical reactions - oxidation. So far as I know, there is only one solution. (Besides using a metal that is not easily oxidized.. and also very expensive!)

You make a capicitrode tank using foil on OUTSIDE each end of tank. Then you pump a high frequency into the capacitor plates end infinite VSWR which creates scaler waves. This will act on every molecule of water without electrode metal contact. Now beat that for surface area! A bit like a microwave oven.

The HHO production is created from the Radiant energy tensor and very little power required.

[oswaldonfire]

As all of you probably know, if you drop Sodium into water you get the following reaction:

2Na + 2H2O --> 2NaOH + H2 

Sodium is a metal.. it conducts electricity. It is NONferrous... yet it can be influenced by a changing magnetic flux... it can be affected by electromagnetic induction.

This is the final piece of the puzzle. Can any of you figure out the rest?

[atlantex]

my electric toohtbrush is using induction to load the battery, that came to my mind like a flash to induct the "electrods" with power. As far as I know, there are little coils in the game...

Well the oxyd problem, glycol (in car antifreez) would reduce it a bit.

In pipeline and bridge engineering, they are using a special anode (think it was graphit) to prevend rust on metals. Maybe it goes in this direction.
Also, there are system for water pipes for homes, which "should" take effect to the water hardness...

For a first shoot, I would try destilled water, maybe in combination with an electrolyte (will affect to the alu). We should also try to prevent to have oxigen in the system.

To be honest, I'm not good in chemical questions, hopefully here can help another user in the board.

[oswaldonfire]

You are right about the coils. I will tell you that using a coil is the way to go. A SINGLE coil will provide for the entire process.

The aluminum was just an example. In my previous post, I mentioned SODIUM. I suggest that you start looking in that area, that is the metal that I would suggest using. Do sodium ions in solution oxidize like normal sodium? NO. That is the solution (no pun intended) to the oxidation problem.