Lets Just burn water instead for now! Plasma Injector rework

[Hope]

Apples and orange,   we are not making a spark plug.    We are creating a plasma.    the real heat comes from the gases igniting - AND we are using a much lower voltage to do this.   Not a current spark gap, a  push/pulled discharge that creates the ion plasma burst.    Gasoline does burn hot as do many corporate fuel anwsers.   But did you notice the water being push/pulled and compressed, split and the gases ignited??  It is ok to off your ideas,  that final alloy that is pressured to fill the seal is only talc             big mystery.......  do you own oil stock or what?  I suppose you should forget nay saying and find a project you can enjoy instead of destroying peoples dreams,  I have noticed in many discussions across the entire forum you mainly offer only negative input,  "I think I can!!!" DOES ,...... 
I DON'T THINK SO, only sleeps.   Destroyer or creator  what do you wish to be?  Not all ideas come complete,  99% work, 1% thought (sometimes others thoughts) your mind is bright and learned.  Beware of that which we were taught, it was designed to keep us energy slaves.  Many theories are now hidden from us since the 1930's.  "Read Old Books".  Cooling coils are used in plasma igniters, as is chilled air  so what is your objection,  only in the details!   Blargh!       and besides   when i showed you the porcelain furnaces cheap you changed to included yet another road block, then started with a "different" compound   when it is well known that they used porcelain for many years.   How much does big brother pay you?     If he doesn't, you work for free.     We been hearing what won't work all our lives,  I guess we all should just quit and be happy slaves huh?

[CompuTutor]

we are not making a spark plug.
We are creating a plasma.

You are indicating a spark plug style plasma injector.

the real heat comes from the gases igniting

Your point?

we are using a much lower voltage to do this.
Not a current spark ,
a  push/pulled discharge that creates the ion plasma burst.

You will find you need a higher voltage to initiate a spark,
and then lower voltage at substantial current to sustain it.

Like all plasma cutters use.

You will also have to overcome the pressures present
in the combustion chamber to get it in there...

did you notice the water being push/pulled and compressed,
split and the gases ignited??

I see no basis for this conclusion at all...

This may be my fault for missing something
you've referenced somehow, sorry if I did.

that final alloy that is pressured to fill the seal is only talc
big mystery.......

No comment...

do you own oil stock or what?

Fuck no, nor would I !

Cooling coils are used in plasma igniters,
as is chilled air
so what is your objection

That is a whole lot different than a plasma cutter's head
it is free-hand, or machine mounted and has full access.

There is no way to cool a plug
screwed into an engine head easily.
Instead the heat will transfer to the head.

when i showed you the porcelain furnaces cheap
you changed to included yet another road block,
then started with a "different" compound
when it is well known that they used porcelain for many years.

I'm not sure what you are referring to.

Of the four links you provided (#3 is still broken),
I do not see what you are eluding to.

Even the concept page you borrowed that pic from
is useless for an ICE, no safety check valve, nothing.

There is no way something like that can just be
"Piped" into a combustion chamber without danger.

"This prototype has been run at repetition rates of up to a few Hz."
You do realize what RPM that translates too, right?
Good luck with that.

And porcelain is ONLY used for the upper spark tower,
it is not, nor can it ever be used on the business end
with any of todays engines (Maybe on a lawnmower...).





Did you read even one of my above links to learn anything?

At least I entered into this knowing I knew little
about the world of spark plugs and the needed compounds
to produce one at an experimental level for proof of concept.

I researched enough to get the needed initial questions,
and contacted a few companies that do this on a daily basis
to get CORRECT information on how to proceed safely on this.

I even asked a few questions in other forums,
including a person that dealt directly with evaluating
a custom spark plug (Krupa FireStorm) that knows his stuff !



What did you do?

Not read my links,
say they are wrong,
misunderstand me totally,
trash me for the truth found.

It appears to me that you believe you know more
than the people (Above) that do this for a living
on a daily basis, I suppose you also think the quote
(Straight from a physics book) on this material is wrong too.

I left out your useless long-assed rant trashing me,
you haven't a clue what I'm about, not even close
don't think that you do, your too paranoid sir.

I AM in the habit of posting,
if I think there is an error in something I see.

And I can respect that this make me
look overly pesimistic in nature.

But that is part of what forums are about.



You borrowed and idea (and a pic),
posted a few links non-related,
and have posted no research at all.

I made a fair attempt to contribute,
and share my steps for others to follow too.

All my links are relevant,
OK, a few were for humor
(Laser spark plugs 2011, etc.).

I think your an ass,
and I will no longer contribute to this thread.

Good luck...   



To others, I had a good talk with Champion today,
I'll hold off a bit and start a different thread on that
when I get all of the data together by email.
(PDF Attachments)

I learned a lot from that call, this is a huge safety issue.

I also have not started calling plasma companies yet,
the ability to make a safe plug is first, of course...

But I believe there is a way we can make safe test plugs.

I'm rather excited about that myself !   

[Hope]

Now I think I understand your views,  my view is different.  Believing in possibilities, openings, combinations, variance, obvious working knowledge (not just theory) of noted gifted people like Tesla (this list is long).  This gives me a I imagine to you a to open attitude, no problem.    If you have a project, an idea,  lets hear it.   Really this is what we all are doing, using our mass mind to overcome our now ignorance, solving/providing something we all need and we shall do it. SOON

[Hope]

LOL to many people I can imagine Columbus was an "ass" for not accepting false media,  then I am overjoyed at being open to not quartered in thinking.........can't can't can't.....  I am sure you can't so therefore no one can,  this thread isn't for you only , glad you found someone else to derail because I won't buy CAN'T..     Luv you bro .... but please get rid of those "place you in a box" thinking... we understand improbable but not impossible.     Also , if  ANY of you have a moment and know of ways to measure different parts of circuits that will educate the rest of us,  this will help the mindset move along congruently, please lets organize a topic just to teach others how to quantify  their results so we all can have "baseline" data to work with.    Is there a topic for pumped /captured plate theory yet?  Seems like a cheaper way to capture a majority of the normally overflowed electron activity??   Stephan,  thanks for you and gadgetmall's (many, many others also) encouraging efforts,  for your sacrifices, which showed us possibilities undiscovered and certainly taught our open minds. 

[Hope]

The HHO torch nozzles are cool to the touch it is said, what is your complain on an idea.  This is not a topic or thread  just a half bake.   No build requirements, just an idea that perhaps Stan Meyers died for.  Lots of wavelengths make up this place we call earth and who is to say if there may or may not be a way of using a few different wavelengths to cause atoms of H2O to separate as if their charges were repelling magnets.  Dr Stiffler shows how to use a semi conductor to split distilled water of only the hydrogen  atom which will make HHO production more efficient still yet, due to oxygen being so easy to just get for normal air.  I know you are hear along time, but let others enjoy creative freedom.  I am a digital/analog engineer but am not using those limited teaching to reach for this radiant surplus.   Thank you for your comments all.