Ronald Classen's H2O Motor Project

[KSW]

how do you think altering the compression might affect the running?

sorry im just guessing here 

this is something i would really love to see work.

another idea would be ... if you could build an ideal motor for h2/o2, what difference would there be between that and an ordinary gasoline/petrol engine?

as i have the tools and equipment here that would enable me to build a smaller "simplified" model to test different designs.

[rlm555339]

Now THERE is a good idea. Build a motor to suit the fuel.    Maybe someone here has that know-how.  I don't.  My field of expertise centers around electricity.  I'm way beyond my knowledge-base with this motor/fuel thing and really in the dark as far as the chemistry of what I'm trying to accomplish.  What I do know is that one has to be on top of things with this hydrogen/oxygen mixture or IT WILL take command.......that is NOT a good thing.     I've had the bejeebers scared out of me a few times......thought I was dead.  Fortunately, all it amounted to was a loud bang.  (whew)  I'm really careful of what is going on with this stuff.  There is no such thing as too much precaution.

I really hope there is a way to figure out how to make this work too.  I'm sure on your side with that idea.  Even if just to be able to say we have a motor that runs on water is a mouthful if it never did do a lick of work.   

[hartiberlin]

Hi Ronald,
try to use KOH as the electrolyte inside your water and
try to use graphite plates and magnesium plates as the electrodes.
Put the positive pole at the graphite and the negative battery pole
at the magnesium pole. Than you will get added gas output, cause
this is the highest electrochemical difference between metals-materials,
which are still (easy,sometimes not so easy) to get.

Also another trick would be to use a coil around the electrodes and try then
to pulse that coil with DC pulses.
As the water builds then up an internal voltage difference, the water might be
easier to split.

Look at:
http://www.harti.com/waterled/
You might try an electrode inside the coil and the other outside the coil.
I did pulse it with 100 Hz graetz bridge rectified 12 Volts pulses and the
LED light up due to the difference voltage in water generated by the pulsing
magnetic field.

Also you could try to add an ultrasonic bubbler.
When I tried this, I had no very small bubbles anymore,
but only very big bubbles of hydroxy coming out in the electrolysis.

So there could still many things to be tried.
Also it might be better to put 3 x 4 electrodes in series,
so the voltage will be divided and every electrode stack
runs only on 3 to 4 Volts or less.

Regards, Stefan.

[KSW]

another thought .... rc glow engines

these are usually something like 1-5cc ? and can get hold of them for around ?10s

the larger ones produce around 1hp i think

and if you can run it on a 4% mix of h2/02 and air then production wouldnt need to be that high to run these small motors for test purposes.

the only problem i can forsee is trying to use a spark plug instead of the "glow plug" that they usually use.
Unless the temperature of the glow plug can ignite this h2/o2 mix?

ah well just a thought ...

[h2o2go]

Kane
Thanks for the link - interesting - but I can only get a 1300 cc 4Cyl to barely idle on 6 litre a minute (H2) I would like to know his secret if he can get a V8 to run on 2 litre/min ?? I still have a lot of optimizing to do but .........

Ron
I think Stefan's suggestion to stack electrodes or as I have done, separate cells, is where the answer is for producing enough gas. I have experimented with many series / parallel configurations. The results are predictible.? I am convinced the correct combination is mathmatically possible.? Power density is certainly another story.
I also found that about 15 degrees after TDC is about right. I also moved the cam timing back (valves open later) 1 tooth (probably 3 degrees). I am not decided as to whether this helped ??.? I have the plugs gapped a .010 inch, and am seriously thinking of trying glow plugs from a diesel. H + O mixtures really want to be water, so it takes very little energy to start the reaction ??
I am curious as to why you are avoiding using electrolyte.? It greatly increases output, and the concentration relative to the size of the electrodes controls the voltage drop across a cell. As I said, at that point the rest is math.

Dave