Ronald Classen's H2O Motor Project

[rlm555339]

I am curious as to why you are avoiding using electrolyte.? It greatly increases output,

It also increases the mess.  My main intent when I started this was to get a prime mover to run continuously on water which would power the generator and keep the batteries charged which I intend to plug most of the house into.  Previous experiments have shown that, while electrolytes increase the conductivity of the water, they also introduce other factors which would complicate a continuous duty cycle.  There would be an added residue factor, constant regulation of the concentration of electrolytes vs water, and the deterioration of the electrodes is increased.  These properties have no impact on a periodic operation or experimentation but when one considers the process running non-stop for days, weeks, and months.........it has to be eliminated as much as possible.  Therefore, I concluded that since our water has rather high alkalinity in and of itself, I elected to focus my attention on finding an alloy that would perform as well as possible with the ph factor in the straight tap water.  I found that using the alloy aluma-ti for both cathode and anode, I have absolutely zero deterioration of the electrodes and the water stays relatively free of gunk. 

I agree that adding KOH or NaHCO3 would increase the conductivity and also increase production.  I guess I was purposely trying to avoid having to do that because of the afore-mentioned reasons.  It might have to come to that though.

[rlm555339]

This is the shape and construction of the anode/cathode element.  The particular element you are looking at has seen at least 10 hours of use.  As you can see, there is zero rusting or corrosion.

[KSW]

http://www.eagle-research.com/browngas/myth/powerv.html

"Second, there is Hyper-Gas: which is mythical at this point because although we've had it happen spontainiously, we haven't been able to find a way to get it on demand. Hyper-Gas gives us thousands of liters of gas for only a few watts of electricity."

seems to me like we need to find out more about this hyper-gas.

although that website seems a tad dodgy 

Kane

[Esa Maunu]

Hi,

I don`t know if i can help to build H2O motor,but there can be some useful properties with my idea about nested cylindrical EM-fields theory.

The idea in my system is to collect / compress electrons evenly from environment with nested cylindrical electromagnetic fields.
If we have nested nested cylinders constructed so that every inner cylinder is slightly closer than next outer cylinder,this leads to system,where charge is compressed in between two innerst cylinder, when cylinders are connected to ac voltage.

That`s because when phase changes in cylinder, electon will move to next positive cylinder, in this case to next inner cylinder.
With this system we can produce charge and current between cylinders to produce hydrogen. It is only in question to collect and focus charge in the middle of the system,much like magnifying glass focuses energy from light.

In my system i use em-fields,but you can try to use metallic plate cylindrically formed nested structure,designed so that every inner cylinder is closer, than next outer cylinder.When every second cylinder is connected to different phase , electron will move to next inner positive cylinder,when phase changes, collecting an focusing charge to middle of the system to split H2O,

More information about nested magnetic cylinders and prime number resonance on my web-site:
http://www.kolumbus.fi/esa.maunu/

With best regards,

Esa Maunu

[h2o2go]

Thanks Ron
I get it - why no electrolyte.? We are on the same path but chasing a somewhat different end result. You want to replace Grid power which has pretty much been there maintenence free for 150 years.? My goal is to to replace fossil fuel in an automobile where I must compete with going to the filling station, removing the cap and filling up. (and paying whatever OPEC says I must) - some maintenance involved.

I find your electrode configuration interesting.
I am using a spiral neg electrode to gain maximum surface area in a minimum space.? It is stainless steel mesh.? the positive electrode is the S/S container - can't get more exposure than that!? I have about 2 1/2 inches between electrodes. The trick is to ionize as much water as possible.? That is where the electrolyte comes into play. I am using a Polyester sleeve over the Neg electrode.? This seems to work well for separating the H2 from the O2, as long as the process is driven hard enough to produce large bubbles.
But you are absolutely correct, Maintenance is what will make it a hard sell until the oil is all gone.

Question for all RE: the above discussion.
I am stuck on the idea that in the above configuration, the neg electrode (where +H ions collect) needs to be double the surface of the Pos electrode, where the -O ions collect, considering we are disassociating H ₂ O, for optimum exposure.? I can find no data, or even discussion to support this.? Does anyone have an opinion ?

THANX
Dave