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Core saturation and Lenz.

Started by broli, August 02, 2010, 08:35:34 PM

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broli

Yes I understood the concept from your earlier post. And I think I understand what you mean by losses. When we want to increase the speed of the magnet at TDC and beyond we need energy to accelerate it. This energy comes from the motor or a fly wheel who sees a counter torque. But then the energy we have used to accelerate is pushed back into the system when the gears cause the speed of the magnet to decrease back, the fly wheel will get a forward torque from this. So that part is conserved. This I agree with.
But how the magnet eats x times more energy I don't agree with.  We only end up with the net energy loss from the attraction of the magnet and core. Which is the same irregardless of speed.

lumen

Quote from: broli on August 07, 2010, 01:37:33 PM
Yes I understood the concept from your earlier post. And I think I understand what you mean by losses. When we want to increase the speed of the magnet at TDC and beyond we need energy to accelerate it. This energy comes from the motor or a fly wheel who sees a counter torque. But then the energy we have used to accelerate is pushed back into the system when the gears cause the speed of the magnet to decrease back, the fly wheel will get a forward torque from this. So that part is conserved. This I agree with.
But how the magnet eats x times more energy I don't agree with.  We only end up with the net energy loss from the attraction of the magnet and core. Which is the same irregardless of speed.

Then if we can calculate that the magnet on exit from TDC would have the same mechanical loss, then there is only the reduction in joule heating time.

I understand there is no additional loss if the exit from TDC was at 2x the approach speed because it would exit the area in 1/2 the time even while the drag on the mechanical system was 2x. So in the end 2 x .5 is still 1. (this assumes no additional loss with additional mechanical components)

So in the end with a momentum conserving mechanical accelerator, there will only be a decrease in joule heating from the reduction in exit time.

The setup you show would be easy to test. Have you done any testing to see if the values you used for the inductor fall within realistic values? Like the 1000 to 1 change in inductance from saturation?

broli

Quote from: lumen on August 07, 2010, 05:22:38 PM
The setup you show would be easy to test. Have you done any testing to see if the values you used for the inductor fall within realistic values? Like the 1000 to 1 change in inductance from saturation?

To be blunt, no. I have based all the numbers on what I gathered from the Internet. I'm still planning on buying and LRC meter to do what you suggested, but in my current bum state I won't go far. So I'll pick it up when I have some finance I hope before the world ends.

This was also part of that research:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9345.0

cletushowell

Ill give you my Advice send me your
math ill compute it through the axis of infinity
make shure it right before you start beings I have string theory
and am the first to the math to double the speed of light
so dont know how to slow time but i can speed it up
you need a v shape create a black hole and water
or enough energy to warp like einstien
v hull philidelphia
noahs ark
and time traveler video
the water and pipe to earth battery


broli

Quote from: cletushowell on August 08, 2010, 01:48:07 AM
Ill give you my Advice send me your
math ill compute it through the axis of infinity
make shure it right before you start beings I have string theory
and am the first to the math to double the speed of light
so dont know how to slow time but i can speed it up
you need a v shape create a black hole and water
or enough energy to warp like einstien
v hull philidelphia
noahs ark
and time traveler video
the water and pipe to earth battery

What you said makes completely no sense to me. If I didn't know any better I'd say you're a skeptic joker trying to make a point on how stupid OU people are by saying random incoherent things and making people believe. Just my instinct  ;) .