Late Harvest Moon

[MAllen7424]

Religion, Philosophy, Political Science and how you are lawfully enslaved by your sovereign with debt.


A Nation voluntarilly forms a civil [constitutional] society to keep them, 'the free people' secure from their enemies and friendly with neighboring nations and the people in the State of Nature [Nation] feel the need to be represented by a leader that is trustworthy to give the Nation true guidence in their lives politically and in trade (commerce) amongst foreign nations and foreign chiefs that represent their Nation's people. In a civil society a sovereign is elected to govern and regulate with positive laws and learn citizens in Roman Law. The enclaves of jurisdiction accepting the services of Federal and State agencies manipulating the citizens education by the philosophy of pragmatism controlling the education of registerd civil members [citizens] of the State for a biased agenda. Our history tells us of usery and power of control over a people benefitting only the sovereign in which has the authorative power over the members of the State or other Foreign sovereigns in which the State falls subject to; for example, the "United Nations.

Tradition and custom throughout a few generations the citizens start to dismiss and forget of their Natural State in which they were born before becoming a member of a State. Federally funded schools under the jurisdiction of federal control coerce the free children that it is their duty to vote for a representative and subject yourself to the state at the age of contractual consent. These representatives govern their persons' for the pursuit of life, liberty and happiness under the control of an un-natural sovereign of this civil society. This elected "moral person" has, with your vote power which you once had when you were in the "State of Nature". In the State of Nature you as a free man/women have the power to execute, legislate and judge your enemies. But by the contract that you are in (constitutions, treaties and conveyances) you vote in at the polls for someone to represent you and control your Natural born Rights given upon you by Nature's God to protect yourself. In a contracted Civil Society as a member of that society you give away those rights to a sovereign (supposed "Moral Person") to execute and legislate and judge your neighboring nations and possible perspective foreign enemies.

  As the free generations slip in the past, did we enslave ourselves in debt to a constituted government to poll ourselves for an elected sovereign to regulate our liberty and independence and gamble our wealth in the market? Did you ask for this way of life that is not of naturity? Did you know that their is a legal contract binding you to labour your life for the love of a manipulated value of fiat money controlled by a central bank under Keynesian policy (demand aggregate)? If you were aware of this binding contract would you still vote in the "moral person" that the unknowing citizens elected in by contract?...Of course not, why would you vote for this sovereign to regulate you and your way of life?...or did you?


Let me put this in perspective for you. To enslave people, the pragmatist knew by controlling our education they can mold every citizen to only know the ideas that they preach. For example lets look at the definition of the word "polled". We were taught by tradition and custom to go register in the public record to vote and go to the polls to elect a person to represent you in a constituted government. Under this contract it is your duty and responsibility to the civil society to vote for your representatives. But what if you didn't register to vote? are you betraying your fellow citizens by not polling? Lets look at the defintion out of the 1828 version of Webster's American Dictionary:

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POLL , n. [D. bol, a ball, bowl, crown, poll, pate, bulb.]

1. The head of a person, or the back part of the head, and in composition, applied to the head of a beast, as in poll-evil.

2. A register of heads, that is, of persons, -Shak.

3. The entry of the names of electors who vote for civil officers. Hence,

4. An election of civil officers, or the place of, election.

Our citizens say, at the opening or close of the poll, that is, at the beginning of the register of voters and reception of votes, or the close of the same. They say also, we are going to the poll ; many voters appeared at the poll. -New York.

5. A fish called a chub or chcvin. [See Pollard.]

POLL, v.t. To lop the tops of trees. -Bacon.

2. To clip; to cut off the ends; to cut off hair or wool ; to shear. The phrases, to poll the hair, and to poll the head, have been used. The latter is used in 2 Sam. xiv. 26. To poll a deed, is a phrase still used in law language. -Z. Swift.,

3. To mow ; to crop. [Not used.] -Shak.

4. To peel ; to strip ; to plunder. Obs. -Bacon. Spenser.

5. To take a list or register of persons; to enter names in a list.

6. To enter one's name in a list or register. -Dryden

7. To insert into a number as a voter. -Tickel.

POLLER , n. [from poll.] One that shaves persons ; a barber. [Not used].



2. One that lops or polls trees.

3. A pillager ; a plunderer; one that fleeces by exaction. [Not used.] -Bacon



Notice that when one goes to the polls, they are stripped or plundered of some 'thing'. What is that thing you are stripped or plundered of? lets look in a book that inspired the Declaration of Independence called,

THE LAW OF NATIONS OR PRINCIPLES OF THE LAW OF NATURE APPLIED TO THE CONDUCT AND AFFAIRS OF NATIONS AND SOVEREIGNS FROM THE FRENCH OF MONSIEUR DE VATTEL ;

§ 4. In what light nations or states are to be considered.

Nations being composed of men naturally free and independent, and who, before the establishment of civil societies, lived together in the state of nature, â€" Nations , or sovereign states, are to be considered as so many free persons living together in the state of nature.

It is a settled point with writers on the natural   law, that all men inherit from nature a perfect liberty and independence , of which they cannot be deprived without their own consent. In a State, the individual citizens do not enjoy them fully and absolutely, because they have made a partial surrender of them to the sovereign. But the body of the nation, the State, remains absolutely free and independent with respect to all other men, and all other Nations, as long as it has not voluntarily submitted to them.

§ 5. To what laws nations are subject.

As men are subject to the laws of nature, â€" and as their union in civil society cannot have exempted them from the obligation to observe those laws, since by that union they do not cease to be men, â€" the entire nation, whose common will is but the result of the united wills of the citizens, remains subject to the laws of nature , and is bound to respect them in all her proceedings. And since right arises from obligation, as we have just observed (§3), the nation possesses also the same rights which nature has conferred upon men in order to enable them to perform their duties

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Source: http://www.constitution.org/vattel/vattel_pre.htm

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Some voters may believe they are sovereign and plundered of nothing because they believe that God [Nature's God] is their Absolute Sovereign and they are protected by HIM and His Natural Laws. But in fact when you vote at the polls you are stripped from some natural protections of Nature and subject yourself to a Sovereign that is unnatural to Nature's Laws governed by the Laws of Nations. Lets look at a definition of a person that doesn't vote:




UNPOLLED, a. Not registered as a voter. 2. Unplundered; not stripped. Fanshaw.



You might say well its is only voting. What consequences does voting have to do with my subjection to Nature and an elected sovereign? Lets go to Webster's Dictionary again 1828:



VO'TARESS, n. A female devoted to any service, worship or state of life.

No rosary this votaress needs. -Cleaveland.

VO'TARIST, n. [See Votary.] One devoted or given up to any person or thing, to any service, worship or pursuit.

I am no idle votarist. -Shak. [ Votary is now used.]

VO'TARY, a, [from L. votus, froom voveo. See Vow.]

Devoted ; promised ; consecrated by a vow or promise ; consequent on a vow.

Votary resolution is made equipollent to custom. -Bacon.

VO'TARY, ji. One devoted, consecrated or engaged by a vow or promise ; hence more generally, one devoted, given or addicted to some particular service, worship, study or state of life. Every goddess of antiquity had her votaries. Every pursuit or study has now its votaries. One is a votary to mathematics, another is a votary to music, and alas, a great portion of the world are votaries of sensual pleasures.

It was the coldness of the votary, not the prayer, which was in fault. -Fell.

VOTE, n. [It. Sp. voto ; L. votum, from voveo, to vow. Votum is properly wish or will.]

1. Suffrage ; the expression of a wish, desire, will, preference or choice, in regard to any measure proposed, in which the person voting has an interest... in common with others, either in electing a man to office, or in passing laws, rules, regulations and the like. This vote or expression of will may be given by holding up the hand, by rising and standing up, by the voice, (viva voce,) by ballot, by a ticket or otherwise.

All these modes and others are used. -Hence

2. That by which will or preference is expressed in elections, or in deciding propositions; a ballot; a ticket, &c. ; as a written vote.

3. Expression of will by a majority ; legal decision by some expression of the minds of a number ; as, the vote was unanimous.

4. United voice in public prayer.

VOTE, r.t. To choose by suffrage ; to elect by some expression of will ; as, the citizens voted their candidate into office with little opposition.

2. To enact or establish by vote or some expression of will. The legislature voted the resolution unanimously.

3. To grant by vote or expression of will.

Parliament voted them a hundred thousand pounds. -Swift.

VO'TED, pp. Expressed by vote or sulfrage;. determined.

VO'TER, n. One who has a legal right to vote or give his suffrage.

VO'TING, ppr. Expressing the mind, will or preference in election, or in determining questions proposed ; giving a vote or suffrage ; electing, deciding, giving or enacting by vote.

VO'TIVE, a. [Ft. volif; L. votivus, from votus, vowed.]

Given by vow ; devoted ; as votive offerings.-

Votive medals, are those on which vows of the people for emperors or empresses are expressed.

Venus, take my votive glass. -Prior.



Did you happen to notice that the word vote actually means: to vow ? lets look at some definitions:



VOW, n. [Fr. vocu ; It. voto ; L. votum, from voveo, to vow ; probably a contracted word.]

1. A solemn promise made to God, or by a pagan to his deity. The Roman generals when they went to war, sometimes made a vow that they would build a temple to some favorite deity, if he would give them victory. A vow is a promise of something to be given or done hereafter. A person is constituted a religious by taking three vows, of chastity, of poverty and of obedience. Among the Israelites, the vows of children were not binding, unless ratified by the express or tacit consent of their father. Num. xxx.

2. A solemn promise ; as the vows of unchangeable love and fidelity. In a moral and religious sense, vows are promises to God, as they appeal to God to witness their sincerity, and the violation of them is a most hainous offense.

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VOWED,pp. Solemnly promised to God: given or consecrated by solemn promise to perform.Eccles. v.

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VOW, v.t. [Fr. vouer ; L. voveo.] To give, consecrate or dedicate to God by a solemn promise. When Jacob went to Mesopotamia, he vowed to God a tenth of his substance, and his own future devotion to his service. Gen. xxviii.

In case you aren't paying attention.

The big picture here is that you as a man/ woman born of Nature solemnly swear to serve (worship) your constituted government more than serviant to Nature's God and Laws [Law of Nations] leaving you stripped and subject of your Natural Rights and plundered by a constituted government that throughout history has proven to be greedy and powerful to once again enslave the free Natural man into their jurisdiction of control leaving you as an atheist to Christianity and enemy to the human race by contracturally vowing to be serviant to a man that is an elected soveriegn and turning away your true protection of law from the Absolute Sovereign (Nature's God). And you wonder why, with war the government or the Vatican is out to kill you, through genocide or poisoning, they probably want everyone who is Christian dead. Through the laws of Nations and the contracts you are under, They have the sovereign right digested in the" Laws of Nations" and the contracts you are under, because you aren't servient to the Absolute Soveriegn, you are subject by contract to a man or sovereign acting as a god. Voting for them at the polls is a contract that gives them permission to write the laws that will put you into that demise as a civillian(a citizen born in subjection to a liege lord).



PLUNDER. v. The most common meaning of the term "to plunder" is to take property from persons or places by open force and this may be in course of a lawful war, or by unlawful hostility, as in the case of pirates or banditti. But in another and very common meaning, though in some degree figurative, it is used to express the idea of taking property from a person or place, without just right, but not expressing the nature or quality of the wrong done. 16 Pick. 9. â€" Black's Law Dictionary First Edition, pg. 904-905.

PLUNDER . n. Personal property belonging to an enemy, captured and appropriated on land; booty. Also the act of seizing such property. See BOOTY; PRIZE â€" Black's Law Dictionary First Edition, pg. 905.

SERVITUDE . The condition[constitutional state] of being bound [by contract, oath or pledge or

frankpledge] to service; the state of a person who is subjected [by whom  the United States

constitution creates according to the 14th Amendment Citizen (villien) ], voluntarilly or

otherwise, to another person [person being; the constitutionally created person who is entitled the right

to be a chief or king of the titled nation] as his servant [in the realm of the nation it

establishes].

2. A charge [national debt] upon one estate for the benefit of another. A species of incorporeal

right [not of material nature] derived from the civil law, resembling and answering to the easement

of the common law. 3 Kent, Comm. 434. [jus in personum]

The term "servitude," in its original and popular sense, signifies the duty of service, or rather

the condition of one is liable to the performance of services. The word, however, in its legal

sense, is applied figuratively to things. When the freedom of ownership in land is fettered or

restricted, by reason of some person, other than the owner thereof, having some right, therein, the

land is said to "serve" such person. The restricted condition of the ownership or the right which

forms the subject-matter of the restriction is termed a "servitude," and the land so burdened with

another's right is termed a "servient tenement," while the land belonging to the person enjoying

the right is called the "dominant tenement." The word "servitude" may be said to have both a

positive and a negative signification; in the former sense denoting the restrictive right belonging

to the entitled party; in the latter, the restrictive duty entailed upon the proprietor or

possessor of the servient land. Brown.

All servitudes which affect lands may be divided into two kinds, ---personal and real. Personal

servitudes are those attached to the person for whose benefit they are established, and terminatte

with his life. This kind of servitude is of three sorts, ---usufruct, use, and habitation. Real

servitudes, which are also called "predial" or "landed" servitudes, are those which the owner of an

estate enjoys on a neighboring estate for the benefit of his own estate. They are called "predial"

or "landed" servitudes because, being established for the benefit of an estate, they are rather due

to the estate than to the owner personally. Civil Code La. art. 646.

Real servitudes are divided, in the civil law, unto rural and urban servitudes. Rural servitudes

are suuch as are established for the benefit of a landed estate; such, for example, as a right of

way over the servient tenement, or of access to a spring, a coal mine, a sand-pit, or a wood that

is upon it. Urban servitudes are such as are established for the benefit of one building over

another. (But the buildings need not be in the city, as the name would apparently imply.) They are

such as the right of support, or of view, or of drip or sewer, or the like. See Mackeld. Rom. Law,

SS 316, et seq.

SERVITUS . Lat. In the civil law. Slavery; bondage; the state of service. Defined as "an instutution

of the conventional law of nations, by which one person is subjected to the dominion of another,

contrary to natural right." Inst. 1,3, 2. [jus quAEsitum]

see:
jus
jus postliminii
jus precarium
jus quAEsitum

"Vote: The instrument and symbol of a free man's power to make a fool of himself and a wreck of his country." â€" Ambrose Bierce (1842-1914?) American Journalist and Short Story Writer

[WilbyInebriated]

i bet that's why jesus said swear no oaths...

[the_big_m_in_ok]

http://www.backwoodshome.com/forum/vb/showthread.php?t=18430

Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ

"Backwoods Home" requires someone to log into their site to read this thread cited above.  But, I'm on a borrowed computer, so that might be the problem.

Regarding Reply #239, this thread:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6416.0
(I only push back on religion against anyone---especially Evangelical San Franciscians---if they do it to me first.)
Already stated by me elsewhere on this board:
"Give to others what they give to you."
                 --Cherokee saying,
                    imparted to me by a Cherokee shaman
--Lee

[TechStuf]

Yes, Big 'M', they went to a member only format after I posted the "late harvest Moon" story.....apparently, this story's got legs because of the fact that a goodly number of individuals are able to compare evidence to prophecy and come up with the fact that some things are provable beyond a reasonable doubt!


Blessings to all in Yeshua, Jesus Christ


Google: "Huge media blackout" and the first link that comes up will be a duplicate story to the one I posted here, If one is able and willing to investigate the plethora of evidence which bears out the Biblical record, He or She will have very good reason to Stand Up and Lift Up their heads in expecation of the return of God's Only Begotten Son, Yeshua, Jesus Christ.


Yah Bless

[the_big_m_in_ok]

...let the truth be told, your god/gods and spirits/demons don't scare me in the least, actually none at all. ...

We do agree.  They don't scare me at all, either.

...we must deal with it, religious nuts will always be creeps in the mainstream of everybody. ... how long will it take? 10,000 years of your god's absence, 100,000 years maybe more, how long will such a person hold on to all the failings of a returned god of any sort. ...

No God "returned" to me, past present or future.  I'm a Jew.  The Messiah isn't here yet; not to me.

... it is a mental illness that leaves a mind prone to suggestions, religion is a form of hypnosis and remains the same and will never change, those who are strong against hypnosis are more likely to be Atheist. ...

Oh?  Really, now?  I'm strongly against hypnosis, and a Jew.  All at once.  'Once size fits all' is a simplification when people can be so different.  Some more than others.  I'll leave it to the Members and public to decide whether or not I'm correct by their personal experience.  Seems fair to me.  But, then, what's really fair?
My point is:  People are often too complex for generalizations.  I try and look at as much of the person's actions from a distance before I might approach them.  If I can.  They sometimes approach me like Techstuf can with religion.  He seem incapable of change.

...Would any of you 'right' minded people actually hand Techstuf a Hydrogen Bomb, freely? hmmm?

I think Dr. No(wak), thinks like Techstuf sometimes.  Nazism is a religion to a Nazi.  NO! I wouldn't give an 'H' bomb to Techstuff, the extremist Muslims, or Dr. No(wak)!

...lose the mask please.

Techstuf may not know how to lose his protective cover in his beliefs.  I can change, even if I don't like it much.  Karma is real to me.
I can plainly see Techstuf is dead set in his religious convictions.  I knew a man just like him in religion.  Always trying to convert me.  I think he had(and Techstuf has) Asperger's Syndrome and religion was the focus.  Same with Techstuf?

  But, I actually accept many of your arguments against the Evangelical beliefs of Techstuf.

--Lee