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Self-Runner NS Coil Pulse Motor Live Video Stream. It's been going for months!

Started by lasersaber, September 01, 2010, 09:59:28 PM

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Omnibus

@flathunter,

If that's what it is -- a device powered by a Galvanic cell -- then it's trivial and is no self-runner (notice the claim, it's in the title of this thread) whatsoever. Not interesting at all.

Rosemary Ainslie

Quote from: Omnibus on September 04, 2010, 02:56:01 AM
There's a major problem here. What is this stubble field coil, if I got the name of it correctly? If that's just two dissimilar metals separated by an electrolyte-soaked cotton to form a Galvanic cell (not a capacitor, as the narrator puts it) then it's as trivial as can be and the whole thing is to be dismissed out of hand. If there's no contact via an electrolyte between these two dissimilar metals in whatever that coil is named and there's only an air gap between them then it's pretty interesting. If that's the case the first thing to do is put the device in a Faraday cage while having the two metals carefully insulated to avoid any Galvanic potentials. Thus, more is needed to demonstrate that this is a self-sustaining device.

As I understand it there is NO liquid added to the coil. And it's retained in a controlled 'dry' environment.
Regards,
Rosemary

Rosemary Ainslie

Quote from: Omnibus on September 04, 2010, 02:56:01 AM
There's a major problem here. What is this stubble field coil, if I got the name of it correctly? If that's just two dissimilar metals separated by an electrolyte-soaked cotton to form a Galvanic cell (not a capacitor, as the narrator puts it) then it's as trivial as can be and the whole thing is to be dismissed out of hand. If there's no contact via an electrolyte between these two dissimilar metals in whatever that coil is named and there's only an air gap between them then it's pretty interesting. If that's the case the first thing to do is put the device in a Faraday cage while having the two metals carefully insulated to avoid any Galvanic potentials. Thus, more is needed to demonstrate that this is a self-sustaining device.

Omnibus - I get it that you see yourself as some kind of arbiter on any claims to OU.  To lasersaber's credit he has NOT made any such claims.  And I entirely fail to see any sense in varying the parameters of a perfectly efficient system to satisfy some irrelevant criteria that you nominate.  With respect.

My understanding is that the Nathan Stubblefield's 'earth battery' requires moisture to allow some kind of chemical 'battery type' interaction as the energy supply.  What lasersaber has done here - in an inspired variation of that early design - is to structure the material such that it does NOT need water.  Therefore is it doubtful that this effect depends on any chemical interaction at all.  The other variation is the inclusion of a second reed switch which, as he explains is critical. 

My own advice to lasersaber is to leave the apparatus precisely as is - and let's see it 'run down'.  Don't even bother with an LED.  Rather build a second if there are to be add ons.  Or use the LED on the multiple small coils that you're working on.  Just my tuppence worth.  There is definitely an 'expenditure' of energy - as there's a measurable voltage.  And I concur with lasersaber that the magnet would not perpetually 'rotate' if there were not alternating field patterns resulting from the 'two switches' and collapsing fields.

To my way of thinking this is the single most significant experiment that has EVER resulted from any of these forums and I'm rather concerned that it's not attracting the attention that it deserves or the acknowledgement that one assumes we all owe it.  Surely?  It's apparently defeating those barriers that our classicists require.  Isn't that the intention of these forums?  I would have thought.   ::)

Regards,
Rosemary




powercat

lasersaberit work is remarkable and fascinating and has so far been replicated by Lidmotor's.
http://www.youtube.com/user/Lidmotor#p/u/2/Q_Tllt7GD_w

This is a battery ?, how does it work, I hope we will see test done to establish this, or are we going to say      "it doesn't matter it just works, like magic"
I do hope the testing will be done, I would love to make one of these that can minimally produced 1 W of free power over a very long time.
cat
When logic and proportion Have fallen
Go ask Alice When she's ten feet tall

Rosemary Ainslie

Quote from: powercat on September 04, 2010, 05:56:25 AM
lasersaberit work is remarkable and fascinating and has so far been replicated by Lidmotor's.
http://www.youtube.com/user/Lidmotor#p/u/2/Q_Tllt7GD_w

This is a battery ?, how does it work, I hope we will see test done to establish this, or are we going to say      "it doesn't matter it just works, like magic"
I do hope the testing will be done, I would love to make one of these that can minimally produced 1 W of free power over a very long time.
cat

;D  Hi Cat, 

I don't know that anyone can definitively state what's happening, but - for what it's worth - my own take is that we've got induced magnetic fields collapsing and interacting with the spinning magnet in synch. I agree it's important to discover whether it's the combination of copper and iron - or wether one can use either one.  And I'ts reasonably important to discount any electrolytic process - but I would have thought that's pretty well discounted precisely because the surfaces are dry.  If moisture in the air is responsible for some kind of electrolytic process - then there's enough such moisture everywhere.  What I'm trying to say is that the quantitiy of moisture is so negligible that I suspect it can be entirely discounted.  But that's just my opinion.

lasersaber has interrupted the rig twice, once to transport it to the site where it now is.  And once to adjust the magnet's spin.  It would be a shame to interrupt it again.  I think any further questions can be established around further builds.  Let's get this one going for a year - uninterrupted.  That would be SO significant. 

Regards,
Rosie