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[Rosemary Ainslie]

You have some capacitance already in the parallel coil wires. The damp cotton dielectric should be an added capacitance or place to build up charge. Think of an old time rolled paper capacitor. The patent states to have a continuous interposed layer of cotton. I haven't seen anyone do a full interpose yet or it appears to me they haven't. This would increase the area of charge and make the coil larger in volume with every wind. I think I may understand Stubblefields comment on the cotton covered iron wire now. If you use cotton covered iron wire without the interposed cotton layer it still works. But the area of charge is not as great. Using cotton on both wires with the interposed cotton would give more area of charge.
Comments needed on this line of thought.

Hello IotaYodi, Guys,

What's really at issue is whether we're dealing with a battery here in any conventional use of the word.  Traditionally a battery requires an electrolytic solution of sorts or a solvent that is capable of conducting a charge - I think the definition goes?  Something like that?  A galvanic action - again as I understand it - requires an electrolytic solution to conduct between two metals.  Bottom line is that there is no way this is traditionally enabled without the use of a 'salt bridge' or some sort of acid or alkaline solvent or base?  I'm struggling here and apologies to purists if the terms are wrong.  I actually know some chemists who post at EF.com and I intend asking them. 

Now - as I see it - and sorry it's so ponderous.  The traditional Nathan Stubblefield battery only requires water.  But there is a complex build of primary windings and secondaries that somehow combine just about all the standard properties of an inductor/resistor/core/primaries? secondaries? - the whole usual electrical circuit schebang - wrapped up in one construct.  Literally.  And we also know now that it works.  And we know that IF it's a battery in any traditional sense - then it certainly does not use a solvent.  It recommends the use of water.  Therefore IF it's a battery it contradicts our standard definition of the term.

Then.  The variation that Laser has given us - has no secondary - but it's been dosed in a saline solution that may very well have permeated through the whole structure.  That may, indeed - represent some sort of solvent solution.  In which case it may also be a battery of sorts.  But then we also need to know if it's dry or wet or what?  No doubt time will tell.

But Laser also shows us that it's enough to dampen the cotton to increase the conductivity on the circuit.  And that dampening is done with tap water.  Not necessarily the purest type of water but I don't think anyone can argue that it's a solvent.  And again.  It works.  But even more interesting is this.  The dampening only ENHANCES the effect.  It's there without the water.  And that's the point where the definition of 'battery' in any conventional sense - is simply no longer correct.  It's now properly - a generator.  And it's generating it's energies by pure inductive laws in a way that is certainly NOT traditionally allowed.

And I'm not sure that we can argue the flow of electrons - as traditionally understood to be part of current flow - at all.  There must first be an essential 'valence' condition in the atoms to enable an electron flow.  I personally don't buy into the flow of electrons in any current.  But classicists and our members here that subscribe to this?  Surely you must concede that this would first require an imbalanced valance condition.  There is none in H2O.  None at all. Maybe here and there the odd 2H2O or whatever.  But that's it.  And from what I understood in the brief learning that I managed at EF.com - when the water molecule separates it invariably results in some form of hydrogen or 'gas' release - that is not actually recoverable.  IF - and again it's a big IF - we're arguing any kind of electrolytic process then what we would need to argue is that water molecule is first disassembling - if that's the term - and the reassembling back into a water molecule without any evident loss to that structure.  Which would be extraordinary.  Frankly I seriously think we need some expert guidance as to what could be going on here.  And I intend asking.  Or if there are any chemists amongs our members - perhaps they can step up to the plate?

I also know a brilliant experimentalist in Jetijs - and I will certainly ask him to help us out here.  It's easily within his competence to put up this test and variants of this, as required, and I suspect he'll manage this more quickly and more efficiently than anything I, personally can manage.  I really think this experiment is that significant that it really needs our best efforts and our best talents.

Regards,
Rosemary

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[dllabarre]

I don't see in the patent "Electrical Battery 600,457" where Nathan (Mr. Stubblefield) said to use salt in the water.  Is there another patent that says to use salt?  I just see water.

We don't know what's in LaserSaber's water.  It cold be from a well with  hard metals in it.

LaserSaber also used galvanized coated wire not bare iron wire.

There are many subtle differences, where any one or all are causing the effect LaserSaber is getting.

It's difficult to replicate some of these older devices because the raw materials either aren't available of cost too much.

This needs many varied replications to determine what is causing this effect.

I plan to start with homemade distilled water but I won't be using cotton insulated copper wire because of the cost.  So I'll have a difference as well.

LaserSaber - DON"T disassemble that coil until someone can replicated it!!! 

DonL

[rock321]

Hello Everyone,

This coil has been replicated by myself and quite a few others. A few years ago, I built a few micro Stubblefield coils. Many experiments have been performed and they both worked well. Lasersaber's mini coil is about twice the size of the coils that I made. Each one produced about 1 volt and anywhere from 4 to 50 milliamps depending on the configuration. As Stubblefield showed in the patent, the electricity generated is purely galvanic/voltaic. And the secondary makes use of the magnetic field generated. Nothing new there.

From what I understand by the grace of God he didn't wet the coils at all. He just had to show something the patent examiners could understand. The diligent seeker of truth will find out what was the main driving force behind all the power he generated.

Bottom line is, anyone building this type of coil is missing a key component which is not revealed in the patent and so, while it is a wonderful piece to demonstrate certain principles, I believe it will never be a practical power producer.

Blessings,

Littlechristgod

[IotaYodi]

What's really at issue is whether we're dealing with a battery here in any conventional use of the word. 

Nope. Way too much going on here.
Water is a weak electrolyte by itself. It would cause a galvanic action on both iron and copper. You could waterproof the outside of the coil with mica or other insulator. Once in the ground it would still gather humidity within the casing. If wooden caps were used it would gather even more humidity on the coil. The cotton may hold water or humidity for galvanic action,but in my mind its also the holding place of the charged particles just like a cap.
Experiment:Make sure the coil is already damp. Take a pulse generator, software or otherwise,and take the positive to one copper terminal. Take the negative to an external ground and not to the coil leaving the iron wires open. Disconnect any reed switches and rotors. Pulse it with low voltage overnight. Check it the next day and compare Voltage and ma's. Then try it with the Neg or iron wire on the coil. Using software you can hook a stereo system to the computers soundcard out. If the stereo has separate outputs check the polarity. One will be neg and one positive. You would then feed the pulse from the stereo. If it has as an equalizer you should be able to get different voltages. The output of a stereo will be higher than a soundcard.   Any questions on this just ask. Plenty of folks here who can help with this.
The goal here is to see if the copper wire when dc pulsed is inducing a radiant energy charge into the cotton.

[Rosemary Ainslie]

I don't see in the patent "Electrical Battery 600,457" where Nathan (Mr. Stubblefield) said to use salt in the water.  Is there another patent that says to use salt?  I just see water.

Hi DonL  - I spent a frustrating night.  I couldn't access our internet - anyway it seems we're back up.  Laser used a salt solution to rust off the galvanized iron.  I'm always intrigued with the variations that experimentalists introduce to a construct.  It's usually based on some kind of insight.  I"m not sure what Laser was seeing here.  I'd love him to explain this.

We don't know what's in LaserSaber's water.  It cold be from a well with  hard metals in it.

I think he's told us that - very specifically - that he only uses tap water and one assumes - with that much emphasis - that it's standard mains supply.  But I'm open to correction.

LaserSaber also used galvanized coated wire not bare iron wire.

Does this vary from the Nathan Stubblefield construct? 

This needs many varied replications to determine what is causing this effect.

I SO agree with you here. 

LaserSaber - DON"T disassemble that coil until someone can replicated it!!! 

I must say I agree entirely with this.

Kindest regards,
Rosemary