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Self-Runner NS Coil Pulse Motor Live Video Stream. It's been going for months!

Started by lasersaber, September 01, 2010, 09:59:28 PM

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Groundloop

@lasersaber,

I can't see any motor movement on:

http://www.lasersaber.com/public/WebCam/ActiveX1.html

Has the motor stopped or has the video streaming stopped?

Groundloop.

lasersaber

QuoteI just wanted to let you all know that I had to take down the live video cam as I had to use the computer it was hooked up to for other things.  I will be buying a new wireless webcam in the near future.  I should have a much better quality video stream.

The motor is still running.  It's been going for over 100 days now.

I posted this a few pages back.  Things sure can get lost in a thread fast.  I should post this message on the live video webpage.

Rosemary Ainslie

Quote from: lasersaber on October 07, 2010, 01:35:57 AM
I posted this a few pages back.  Things sure can get lost in a thread fast.  I should post this message on the live video webpage.

Great stuff Laser.  I actually didn't realise you had a live number showing this.  So thanks for the link Groundloop. 

Regards
Rosemary

Rosemary Ainslie

Guys this subject is being 'trashed' on another forum.  I thought I'd just post over some of the arguments against this and my reply. 


Quote from: MileHigh on October 07, 2010, 08:15:26 PM
Rosemary:

Like I previously posted, enormous amounts of electrical energy are needed to produce metals like aluminum and magnesium.  So aluminum and magnesium are potential components of a battery, just like the components in a lead-acid battery.  In other words they contain potential chemical energy that can be transformed into electrical energy.  Pirate Bill keeps on thinking that this is all "free" perhaps because he is unaware that massive amounts of electricity were used to make the components of his "earth batteries."  The energy comes from the aluminum or magnesium smelter.  It takes so much electricity to produce aluminum that they sometimes build hydroelectric power plants that are dedicated to providing power for aluminum smelters.

If you were to take this argument to its logical conclusion - then - in terms of this a natural diamond would have less energy than an artificial diamond.  There is no more or less potential energy in a lump of pure copper than there is in a mixed aggregate of the same weight.  Nor is more potential energy added to the mix as a result of applied heat or galvanisation or anything else.  Mainstream claim that the energy from mass is from the atomic mass.  It's just that in a refined state - it's likely to be more useable as required. Bear in mind that the galvanic interaction does not compromise the mass of either the copper or the iron.  Theoretically, they'll be there - into infinity.  So.  Also theoretically - if there's an induction process going on in Laser's rig - which clearly there is, then that too could be there for infinity.

Quote from: MileHigh on October 07, 2010, 08:15:26 PMIn my experiment, when you take away the water, the chemical reaction stops dead, and then the battery can't output any power.  It's akin to draining the electrolyte out of a lead-acid battery.

But this argument also has to be seen in context.  Laser claims that the rotor can turn with distilled water.  If so, then there is no 'salt bridge' required for the 'galvanic effect' - which is battery related.  It probably just works better with the addition of salt.  Correspondingly, and confusingly, Bill claims that his rig works best if the sand is dry.  In which case one could perhaps argue a 'salt bridge'.  But in both instances one only needs to encase the entire coil in some kind of sealed condition - like a sealed battery - and either the slightly moist sand - or the slightly moist atmosphere around the coil - would make both the sand and/or the atmosphere - a third element in that rig.  Unlike a sealed battery it would never go flat.  That's got to be clean green - and virtually, dare I say it,  'perpetual'.

Also.  Regarding your applied math to this general effect - I think you're out by a tad.  If you take a battery say with a rating of 12 x ampere hours - then what the manufacturer is saying that it will deliver 12 amps for 1 hour or 1 amp for 12 hours - or whatever combination required between these numbers.  So.  12 amps x 12volts = 144 watts.  Then x 60 seconds, x 60 minutes x 1 hour =  518,400.00 joules.  We can't yet quite rate Laser's rig - but - just to follow general protocol and your example of applying numbers here.  Let's say that the rotor is turning with a ridiculously conservative dissipation of 0.2 watts.  0.2 x 60 seconds x 60 minutes x 24 hours x 115 days = approximately 1,987,200.00 joules.  Technically it's alreadly out performed your standard lead acid battery.  AND it's NOT going flat.  AND that was an absurdly small wattage figure at kick off.

The truth of the matter is that the concept of a battery supply source also carries the concept of a depletable source of energy.  That much has yet to be proven in either Bill's rig or in Lasersabers.  Frankly I think they're both carving out some interesting history for us all.

Regards
Rosemary
edit.  Sorry the math was out.   I've amended. 

IotaYodi

QuoteLaser claims that the rotor can turn with distilled water.
Was that before he soaked it in salt water? There would still be salt in the coil if he did that first. Also is the distilled water picking up ions from the copper and iron?
Within most solid materials a current arises from the flow of electrons, which is called electronic conduction. In all conductors, semiconductors, and many insulated materials only electronic conduction exists, and the electrical conductivity is strongly dependent on the number of electrons available to participate to the conduction process. Most metals are extremely good conductors of electricity, because of the large number of free electrons that can be excited in an empty and available energy state.

In water and ionic materials or fluids a net motion of charged ions can occur. This phenomenon produces an electric current and is called ionic conduction. Electrical conductivity is defined as the ratio between the current density and the electric field intensity.

Someone correct me if im wrong here. If the magnetic rotor produces enough v/a on the copper,and the reed switches keep the rotor spinning,then wet or dry it should continue to cycle back and forth as a self sustaining electromagnet. 

QuoteThe truth of the matter is that the concept of a battery supply source also carries the concept of a depletable source of energy
Except for the Earth. As long as the Sun shines and the Earth revolves the power will be there.

QuoteBill claims that his rig works best if the sand is dry
.
His setup is a standard earth battery and not a coil. Knowing where Bill lives there is still moisture below ground. If its too wet there is a voltage drop. I think this applys to both the Ns coil and standard earth battery.


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