Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison

[infringer]

What kind of heat is required to jump in on this project and finally what is used to do this heating ...

I am curious...

Ok so melt and let set for 3 weeks that is a start surely but...

What are some examples of hardware used to make these batteries the heating of the material (device used)

Container what is a good container and how do we contain the material.

Finally a basic design over all less the material of the battery enclosure would be nice.

Links to places we can purchase all of the battery casing parts would be excellent!

Anyone care to really make this a project and add this information for testing ...

This is what is lacking a basic structure of everything I guess for now it don't matter if it is flour that is powering the battery but we need to know the battery case makeup as well as how and what to use to melt the material!

Last but not least when do we charge how do we charge and with how much voltage and current?

Thank You

[PaulLowrance]

There are some videos at youtube making Electrets. Only mistake he makes is he supposed to melt the stuff and then apply the electric field. He makes the simple Electret type as described at wikipedia,

"Bulk electrets can be prepared by cooling a suitable dielectric material within a strong electric field, after heating it above its melting temperature. The field repositions the charge carriers or aligns the dipoles within the material. When the material cools, solidification freezes them in position. Materials used for electrets are usually waxes, polymers or resins. One of the earliest recipes consists of 45% carnauba wax, 45% white rosin, and 10% white beeswax, melted, mixed together, and left to cool in a static electric field of several kilovolts/cm. The thermo-dielectric effect, related to this process, was first described by the Brazilian researcher Joaquim Costa Ribeiro."

[jeanna]

@Paul L
Thanks for the recipe. I had not seen that before.
I wonder if I could pulse the high voltage with better results
Oh dear, I see the winter is approaching and I may be setting up more crystal pots! 

@infringer,
I used cut down aluminum soda cans. I was using an aluminum base and it seemed to work (except I was also using the alkaline sodium carbonate which released the H₂ and  could have dissolved my soda can . but only a little!)

Ian's best performer was made in a cigar tube. He is from AU and the cigar tube might have been AL also, but it is in the records here. It is not in my head still.

jeanna

[PaulLowrance]

Hi jeanna,

Pulsing will work, but just as long as there's also DC. I don't know if the extra AC (pulse) will help or not. It might help. Also, I don't know if there needs to be actual electrical current flowing through the mixture or if the electric field from two surrounding plates is sufficient. I'm guessing that the several kili volts / cm is an electric field, not from current because the mixtures resistance at high temperatures is probably low resistance, so in order to maintain actual 4KV across a 2 cm wide substance would probably produce over 100000 watts. Although, maybe a few amps of DC current would help.

A scientist I'm working with has asked a University for help in making ultra high Pr & Ec Electrets. So we'll find out. My best guess is to use only DC electric field with perhaps a small amount of AC, and maybe a small amount of electrical DC current.

If you guys want a great voltage meter with ultra high input resistance then look into the AM-240. New it costs ~ $40.  Although the goal here is probably to get a battery with low resistance. It's still unknown if high Rz is a key to high DC power in these batteries.

Regards,
Paul

[mscoffman]

It might be interesting to try to form an electret
by applying a high voltage field to the Castolite
Lucite plastic casting polymer while it is hardening.
I have always unsuccessfully tried to find purchasable
electrets for experimenting, independent of audio
devices and air filters. It's as if the common audio
devices like microphones and earphones have suppressed
the availability of stand-alone electrets. I mean
one wouldn't want to have an overunity device
actually in use, you know.


>Also, I don't know if there needs to be actual electrical current
>flowing through the mixture or if the electric field from two
>surrounding plates is sufficient.

No, I think it's the pure electrostatic field that aligns the
domains, like in a capacitor. It essentially a "frozen"
charged capacitor.

:MarkSCoffman