Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison

[mrbr00k5]

@Conrad

Welcome to the ! Good to see a new experimenter! As far as using  alone as an ingredient, I really don’t know what to say. I’ve got one cement cell that has dropped significantly to about 200 Milli-Volts, and one that is still over a volt, and they were made on the same day. So I recommend that you keep taking measurements on your very interesting cell, to see what it does over time. Keep up the good work! 

@Jeanna

I made a cell and stuck it in the freezer, I’m very interested to see how it’s going to do. I’ll leave it around a month, like you said. I’m up for trying anything to improve these! I need to go back and re-read some pages like you mentioned. There’s so much info in this thread it’s hard to remember it all.

@Everyone

Here is some info on the cell i made on 5/29/2010. The container is Zinc, the electrode is a carbon rod, it is sealed up watertight. I was able to get it to run a joule thief too, I included some pictures. (Hopefully I'll be able to take better quality pictures soon, when the new iPhone comes out in a few weeks. )

The ingredients in rough percentages are:
26% Lepidolite (Potassium, Lithium, Aluminum, Silicate, Hydroxide, Fluoride)
20% Black Tourmaline
20% Pyrite
15% Alum
10% Concrete
4% Plaster of Paris
5% Water

Obviously with this particular cell, the inclusion of water means I’m not sure if what I’m getting is mostly galvanic. But I’m going to keep a 1k ohm resistor on it, to try and speed things along. All I can say is we’ll see. Here are some measurements I’ve been taking of it’s performance, whenever I had time.

5/29/2010 - 7:00p.m. - 1.365 Volts 1.19 Milli-Amps
5/30/2010 - 8:00a.m. - 1.208 Volts 1.07 Milli-Amps
5/30/2010 - 2:34p.m. - 1.217 Volts 1.07 Milli-Amps
5/30/2010 - 7:52p.m. - 1.220 Volts 1.10 Milli-Amps
5/31/2010 - 6:10a.m. - 1.219 Volts 1.09 Milli-Amps

(After taking this reading I placed a 1k ohm resistor
on the cell, and then took it off at 3:00p.m. So that’s
about 9 hours it had a load.)

6/1/2010 - 9:14a.m. - 1.048 Volts 0.85 Milli-Amps
6/1/2010 - 5:01p.m. - 1.139 Volts 0.99 Milli-Amps
6/1/2010 - 7:45p.m. - 1.151 Volts 1.01 Milli-Amps

(After taking this reading I placed a 1k ohm resistor
on the cell, and then took it off the next day,
6/2/2010 - at 3:00p.m. So that’s around 20 hours with
a load, give or take. Now I’m letting it recover a while.)

6/2/2010 - 4:24p.m. - 0.836 Volts 0.73 Milli-Amps

So it’s doing a pretty good job of recovering after the load being taken off. I’m probably going to quit taking measurements, and leave a load on it for maybe a week or so, then go back and see how it performs. So, anyway...that’s about all I have to share right now. Keep trying new stuff everyone, and good luck! - Jonathan

[conradelektro]

Thank You for the encouragements  !

I admire the many mixtures discussed in this thread, being mentally very far from chemistry. May be alchemy attracts me.

Attached see two photos of a long running test I set up with the "copper - tile cement - aluminium" cell and a low power Joule Thief (the also interesting circuit with an air coil can be seen in a recent post in the Joule Thief thread). The idea is to have this thing (a red led driven by the cell, pretty boring) sitting around in my house till it self destructs. One just has to glance at it occasionally to see whether the little LED is still on. Only once the LED is off one has to do something (like looking for a failure of the circuit or the cell).

In defense of the commercially available frost-proof tile-cement: It sticks to about everything very well (including metals, even skin) and takes heat, cold, dry and wet for at least 30 years. And it is in essence just "concrete". So initially the bond between the cement and the metals is excellent. And if there is a chemical reaction on the metal it should fall of the cement eventually and one should see a layer of stuff. I want to keep the cell dry (at the atmospheric humidity of my house throughout the seasons).

A strange idea (definitely not new and not originating from me):

Reading through this thread and watching many good and bad videos on YouTube about "crystal cells" it came to my mind, that most of the cells shown and discussed (in spite of a multitude of ingredients) produce about 0.15 mA (with some little variations up and down) no matter how big or small they are. I am intentionally not very precise with this statement, but there are no small cells giving 10 mA (withe a size of 10 mm to 100 mm) or really big cells (e.g. one meter wide) giving many Amperes like bigger commercial batteries.

For me (knowing less than nothing) this points away from a pure chemical interpretation of these "crystal cells". I will therefore go into the "multiplication" of a very simple cells (why not the "copper - tile cement - aluminium" cell, because all the materials are readily available).

By "multiplication" I mean a setup or arrangement of the elements in a way that one gets (automatically) many cells in series and parallel (hundreds, if not thousands). This is a geometry problem, a way of producing very many cells in a clever way to avoid too much manual labour or complicated machinery.

I am thinking about "brushes with many bristles", "nail beds" or "combs". Once I have something set up you will hear from it.

Something from the environment could be soaked up by these cells (heat fluctuations, electronic smog, magnetic currents in the earth, static electricity flows in the atmosphere, even neutrinos from the sun or the overused zero point energy). If this "soaking" is part of it, one wants to try a lot of "receivers" instead of one "big receiver", because one "receiver" might only "soak up" a tiny amount of electricity mostly independent of its size.

Just dreaming and speculating.

Greetings, Conrad

[mrbr00k5]

@ Conrad

The multi-cell idea sounds like a good one. Hutchison mentioned on some website, I forget which, that he had some sort of honeycomb cell, that was made of several smaller ones, he claims it made 3 volts at 3 amps. I don't know how reliable he is, but combining cells does sound good. I'm worried that the electrical series resistance might hamper this, but it's worth a try. Your right that we need a simple way to do this, let us know what you come up with.

[das aloda bullspit]

hello have any of you been using niobium in your mixes ive heard its good for this and ive tried it and its fairly good also try using crushed gold leaf or powder in your mixes in varying amounts seeing as thogh gold has the highest conductivity and bismuth rods also i have seen some of hutchs cells and tyhy are as varied as ours he said to me its all in the mix simple and easy he also said there isnt a wrong way to make these only o better way to make them, mr brook try adding germanium to your sealant cells or try all of the above and how are your sealant cells going at the moment are they still diong well? try barium  titanate and or strontinum titanate or calcium chloride  better yet try all of these in varying amounts hopethis is of some use to you all ive made a new cell using colloidal silver selenium zircon vanadium germanium sealant and b titanate its not bad ive  done these all on a lamp battery? 6 voult they are at about 1 volts i may go further with my cells and imncorporate gold instead of silver  and at very body have you got a good alrounnd non galvanic rochelle salt cell variant that i could try out and ian get well soon ive managed to light a led for  2 weeks with an old cell its not much but its something

[conradelektro]

I hope that it is not boring for advance Crystal Cell builders to hear again from the "copper - tile cement - aluminium" cell which I built?

The cell was driving one red led by help of a Joule Thief circuit for about 5 days continuously. The power output was about 0.3 mA at 0.85 Volt (when the Joule Thief was connected).

At the end of the fifth day the cell was failing. The LED went out and Voltage dropped with the slightest load.

In the morning of the sixth day I put the cell in ordinary tap water for a minute and let it dry for two hours. Then it looked dry on the outside and since then it is driving the one LED as bright as ever. The performance seems to be the same as during the five initial days.

I made an experiment with a "comb cell" (see attached picture) which was an attempt to build "ten small cells in one". The thing did not have a measurable output. Failure!

I will now build a bigger "copper - tile cement - aluminium cell" (double surface of the first one) which will be placed in the open air, so that moist air in the morning or during a rainy period can automatically revive the cell. It seems to be important that one metal sheet has many little holes in order to let moisture in over the whole area of the cell.

The cell should look dry from the outside but should have some moisture contained in the tile cement. Dripping wet is not good and completely dry is also not good.

The experiment so far suggests a chemical reaction as known from conventional galvanic batteries which will eventually consume one metal.

One would probably get the same cell by placing a wet cotton cloth between the two metal sheets. But this is less convenient than the tile cement.

Greetings, Conrad