Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison

[Drannom]

Dear Koen1

i am not good in english, just read carefully the electrinium.pdf, it is not like you said

you'll find that document everywhere

there is no such gold in that !!!

you are talking not clearify at alll!!

there is only 12 chapitres

first recipe: take a bar of steel, make it hot hot red, and freeze it slowly while putting many volts on it

the second recipe may be adapt, but to create your silver compound and the iron compound you have to create a battery to oxydise both of them (i do not know how to say that, read read read)

[Drannom]

hello

i have red electrinium.pdf many months ago, i have to read that text again, in fact Koen1 may be right, i just realize that i have read too much rapidly the 3 last chapitres, and there is no oxydation of silver and iron, the solution to create compound is made of someting else,

and yes there is gold in the recipe

i just focus on the simple recipe with steel, cause here we want some result in a simple way

a suggest the simple recipe with a very short rod of steel with high voltage (many thousand) at low current

pardon me Koen1

[Koen1]

Hi all

Great, the thread is not dead after all

@Jeanna:

Some archeological notes from the kitchen of the Enterprise, probably dating to sometime in 2008:
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lol "captains log, stardate 1234567.8"

I made a mix hoping I could incorporate both Al and Mg in the crystal structure. Possibly as zeolite.


The mix:

1Tablespoon   dry clay
1 teaspoon     Epsom Salt (Mg sulphate)
1 teaspoon     Na Carbonate (washing soda)
1 Cup            dry portland cement - contains or is clinker
1 Cup            dry sand (this was used for Trawiger pyramid and contains some small amount of NaCl)
1 Cup            water

This mixed easily and it appeared that the clay dissolved first, then the sand dissolved. The whole thing became a very thick soup that had a gritty sound to it but was very homogeneous.

Since I wanted to use the Al and Mg of the metals to make an e-crystal, I wanted to keep to the Al for the container. This presents an interesting problem.

Melting container.

Hmmm... Oh, right, I almost forgot, you're a potter! So you're probably trying to bake the stuff at "normal" ceramics temperature?
And aluminium melts around 660 degrees celcius (1220 F if that's the system you use), while generally pottery is baked at temps
of at least 1000 degrees C... So if that's what you wanted to do, then yes indeed, the aluminium will melt.
It is one of the problems I ran into quite early on in my cell experiments. I'd love to 'paint' a plate of metal with several different metal oxides
and/or sulfides and bake them into a sort of 'laminate' of vitreous material, but of the more common and readily available metals only
iron or nickel with a melting point of around 1500 degrees would be able to stand the heat needed for glazing (between 1100 and 1400 degrees generally).
Ok, and perhaps copper up to 1000 degrees, but that's not hot enough.
So yeah, dilemma if you want to bake the stuff in a metal container... 

I am not sure adding Al powder would be enough? but it is a good idea. I don't know where to get Al powder yet.

I'm not entirely sure what you mean, but if you mean you're not sure if the aluminium powder will bond with the other stuff, then
I think adding it to a mix with sodium and water in it should cause it to react and at least form alumina (Al-oxide) and probably with
some of the silicates as well. Like in the geopolymer material. Aluminium binds quite well with silicates in general, and it tends
to react chemically with sodium in solution, so it should blend quite alright.
As for where to get it, over here small jars of aluminium powder are sold in art supply shops and hobby&crafts shops as
"silver powder" for use in homemade paints, glazes, ets. I have a jar labeled "New Silver Powder" but on the back it very
clearly reads "pure fine aluminium powder, does not contain silver." And when you open it up you immediately smell the
distinct (and quite nasty if I may say so) smell of aluminium.
I would advise to watch out a little when using Al powder in mixes. It is very reactive with quite a number of compounds,
and one easily adds a little too much of the stuff. Just a pinch is often enough to make an acidic solution bubble and fizz
like crazy, and often this will be accompanied with release of quite a bit of hydrogen gas. So do it in a room with good
ventialtion and add only small amounts at a time. And of course don't smoke while you're at it but I don't think any of us
is stupid enough to do that in a room filled with nasty powder traces and funky chemicals

After a day of taking readings I found this patent:

http://www.pat2pdf.org/pat2pdf/foo.pl?number=6042808

This patent is for a manufacturing process for making zeloite at normal temperatures and includes the Mg which is why I looked for it and it also includes Ga. It has pictures and some formulas. Have a look.

Thanks for that link. Yes, reads quite straighforward. Good idea, really, to use Ga instead of Al to make lower temperature zeolites...

Back to my kitchen.

I have taken a pic of a few things. Hopefully I can get it into one post.

The bottom of the Al juice can is filled with this stuff then I cut the can some more and made the spiral electrode that is inside. It only took 30 minutes to be able to place this electrode into the soup and have it not rest on the bottom. It solidified a room temperature in 2 hours and this morning after 18-20 hours, it has become the white of dry cement.

(and of zeolite )

If I touch one probe directly to the crystal and leave one on the electrode I read 1 volt and 124uA. But I think that is because the probe metal is nickel or zinc plate, so I don't count that.

The pic shows the leads on different Al probes. I stuck 2 Al wires into it as well as the can strip, but the terminals are all made of Al.

Later I lined a cheese tub with Al foil and filled it and added a foil electrode and an Al wire electrode.

See how the foil has torn from the crystal? It dissolved it and I assume made some H2 overnight. (too slow for a car  )  So, I am wondering if I even have any real surface contact between the Al foil, wire, can and the crystal.

Outside the pic are 4 pancakes that have dissolved their Al foil plates - and their foil electrodes too.

Maybe when it is all dry, I will use some sodium silicate to "glue" the electrodes into their places. Perhaps this will give some avenue for the charge to travel.
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here is the pic I hope.

jeanna

I forgot to add the can gets 0.119vdc and 2.9uA using both Al terminals as shown in the pic.

Well one thing is clear: when you get and add aluminium powder to that mix it will definately react and fizz.
I would like to suggest several things: 1) stick an iron/steel nail and a piece of copper wire into the mix while it hardens,
see what output those give in respect to eachother as well as the aluminium electrodes
2) add aluminium powder (or even fine scraps of aliminium foil should work), so it can react with the acidic components
and chemically neutralise the material a bit, so the aluminium electrodes at least bond nicely to the material
and don't dissolve (too much). You can add other stuff too, as long as the ph becomes more neutral.
But nice going Jeanna! Thanks for the update and the pics.

@Drannom: No problem buddy. Your remarks about the part of the electrinium pdf where
molten iron fed high voltage is mentioned, as well as certain other parts of the story involving
the polarisation and orientation of dielectric compounds, were quite right, and those parts of
the pdf are very interesting and certainly to be taken into account. So no excuses needed,
as far as I'm concerned.
I just think the pdf makes it sound a lot easier than it really is.

[ian middleton]

G'day all,

@Koen

And of course don't smoke while you're at it but I don't think any of us
is stupid enough to do that in a room filled with nasty powder traces and funky chemicals

Aren't you forgetting someone? You know ol "hell boy " here will do anything to collect  the insurance
money.

Canberra Times  15th May 2009.  "Man tazers dog with piece of homemade rock"


Must sleep............

[jeanna]

Hi rockers  ,

Today my juice can gives a voltage reading of 0.188vdc and 3.6uA up from even last night.

Now, I must have made some things unclear so I want to fix that.

First, the temperature was all at room temperature. 62 deg F (Is that around 20C ?)

I neglected to mention the very interresting part about the pH.
A few minutes after I added the water and I thought it was increasing in wetness, I checked the pH.  it was between 10 and 11 .

I thought to check it again last night. This is on the remaining unused glop of stuff ( before I added 2 copper electrodes.) It had started to solidify and I added water. IN SPITE OF THAT the pH was around 13 - 14.

My conclusion is that the chemical reaction that Davidovits describes that creates NaOH after some time had occurred. This would explain the bubbling of the reaction. NaOH plus Al creates H2 as gas plus AlOH remaining in the mixture.

I should have explained my reason to use similar electrodes. I don't have any other way to rule out a galvanic reaction happening between the electrodes. This way any voltage I see should be happening in the mix; and, hopefully within its crystalline structure.

So, room temperature
similar electrodes
powerfully alkaline
growing in m-voltage and u-amperage as it continues to dry.

Koen,
Does a zeolite really look like dry cement?

If so, maybe I was more successful than I realized.

thank you,

jeanna