FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR

[jbignes5]

Hi Jbigness6

I think the quote from Tesla was talking of a continuous dead-short in his generator, and not shorting coils at peaks briefly. collpasing the coil,  then at swtich opening, caps fill like crazy.
Ismael did go with "multiple bifilars", (septfilars) and got much more power, plus the pictures inside his MEG show stacks of torroids too, so he might already be doing in the MEG jsut what you suggest.

Well the quote says that he is familiar with shorting because thats how he engages the generator to start the process up to a steady state, that turns the generator setup into a huge induction motor then releases the coil to short through the motor. If one was to repeat this across a spark gap it would automatically short to the motor at the peak of current generation in the generator coils and short to the motor across the spark gap. So in effect yes it is the exact process Ismael is doing. Except the motor is not a bifilar coil.. Or is it?

*Edit* In figure two of this patent is that a bifilar setup for the field coils? http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-511,915-electrical-transmission-of-power

[forest]

Yeah the scond patent is just a general approach. I would assume the patent is the motor that Westinghouse made for him. The Box he had was the control mechanism both spark gaps and shorting mechanism for the generator winding(rotor) then fed into the primary mover (motor). If you read the text of the patent it is specifically mentioned that he is familiar with shorting of coils: Reference: "If under such conditions the coils F F', of the generator-armature be closed upon themselves or short-circuited, no currents, at least theoretically, will be generated in the said armature-coils. In practice I have observed the presence of slight currents, the existence of which is attributable to more or less pronounced fluctuations in the intensity of the magnetic poles of the generator-ring. So, if the armature-coils F F' be closed through the motor, the latter will not be turned as long as the movement of the generator-armature is synchronous with that of the exciter or of the magnetic poles of its field."  So this leads me to believe he is very familiar with coils shorting.

As for the Bifilar coils Tesla stated that the only resistance to the flow of current in such a coil is the resistive or ohmic value of the wire used to make the coil and that these bifilar coils are capacitors<-- So there is the key!. But much like resistors you could parallel many bifilar coils and halve the resistance many fold, Couldn't you?

I think I have a good handle on what Ismael is doing here. charging up the end caps then disconnecting the caps from the source then boucing it back and forth between the now disconnected caps and newly connected Bifilar. Since both are considered to be caps electrically he harvests the pulses from the bifilar setup at each pass and increases the value by shorting the bifilar coil many times when it reaches peak value. Very nice setup.

I have a suggestion for him though. Tell him to make the pancake version of the bifilar and parallel many flat ones together. This would lower the resistance to extremely lower values and allow for better ringing back and forth. Also Tell him to use two such bifilar setups instead of one that he collects from now. Remember these coils act like capacitors but they also act like coils too. Maybe layering one pancake coil on top of the other in pairs, one being the source or capacitor and the next layer being the collector. Many layers would allow for better performance. He is gonna have to experiment with the pancake coils in order to figure out how to harvest the mega pulses which should be emanating from the source coils.

Also instead of using silicon to control the shorting I think Tesla used vacuum tubes. They can handle much more current then Silicon can and they run at analog speeds.

you are a good thinker ! salute you ! Einstein said that imagination is better then knowledge but I can add intuition is sometimes better then both. I thought about such setups too and will try to make prototypes .

[konehead]

hi Jbigness

yes it does look like bifilars in those 6 coils in fig 2.
Very interesting the way three adjacent coils seem to connect in series with one-half of bifilar, and then the coils at 180 degrees apart connect with the other half of the bifilar it seems...I wonder what this will do...
maybe one half is motor, other half is generator I dont know..

[konehead]

hi Jbigness

Not sure what you (and Tesla) means by engaging the short to get it up to steady state - I guess this means thats how it "outputs" his power generated?
I see "problem" of shorting directly into motor coils - this might just kill the whole effect -
going into unloaded-caps first, then unloading them to motor coils would be way to do it in my feeble opinion -  maybe Tesla is doing it like that...
I mentioned before (and Ismael was telling me of this too) is that the resistance in a cap with no volts in it, and then halfway filled up, and  3/4 filled up, etc.. is always a different and changing resistance-value when filling the caps and discharging the caps to load
so if there is a razors-edge resonant condition/frequency/resistance for filing the caps, its going to go out of resonance as the cap's resistance changes... Ismael was thinking that Tesla must have had some self-regulating caps in his electric car that would "automatically"  change resistance to match-up with the short/spark gap (same thing) feeding the caps....maybe those ball-shaped caps in some of Teslas stuff are what those are...
anways good thinking like Forest said...

[jbignes5]

hi Jbigness

Not sure what you (and Tesla) means by engaging the short to get it up to steady state - I guess this means thats how it "outputs" his power generated?
I see "problem" of shorting directly into motor coils - this might just kill the whole effect -
going into unloaded-caps first, then unloading them to motor coils would be way to do it in my feeble opinion -  maybe Tesla is doing it like that...
I mentioned before (and Ismael was telling me of this too) is that the resistance in a cap with no volts in it, and then halfway filled up, and  3/4 filled up, etc.. is always a different and changing resistance-value when filling the caps and discharging the caps to load
so if there is a razors-edge resonant condition/frequency/resistance for filing the caps, its going to go out of resonance as the cap's resistance changes... Ismael was thinking that Tesla must have had some self-regulating caps in his electric car that would "automatically"  change resistance to match-up with the short/spark gap (same thing) feeding the caps....maybe those ball-shaped caps in some of Teslas stuff are what those are...
anways good thinking like Forest said...

Well first thing is first. Reread the Bifilar patent again till you understand what it is doing. This is my take on the bifilar coil! The coil for all intense and purpose is both an inductive source (coil) and a capacitor<----Key here is it is both! The only resistance in that capacitance is the wires resistance if it is made the Tesla way (pancake), other configurations lower this outcome (solenoid). But what if we made it of litz wire?<--There would be almost no resistance at all. As far as I know there is no variable resistance in the bifilar coil, unlike all the caps we use today. If we choose not to use litz wire then we can use both capacitance rules and resistance rules to double capacity and halve the resistance by paralleling the bifilar coils. In effect we could possibly lower the resistance to nil and increase the capacitance to huge amounts this way!

As for the second patent with the generator, what I meant was that you can both Short the generator rotor to get it back up to speed and this shorts the motor (prime mover) as well. This shorting can be done via a spark gap or vacuum tube. If the prime mover (motor portion) is made with bifilar coils you can see how that would work (Ismael's technique). This happens all at once and if the spark gap has a magnetic quenching the amount of on and off becomes nearly unlimited.

As for shorting the generator rotor in the start-up procedure that would make the the generator rotor a huge induction motor and cut out the prime mover (motor) at the end of the process. There are three distinct portions to this unit: 1) Exciter, 2) Generator/Start-up motor, 3) Prime mover or motor. All of these are designed onto the same shaft as far as I know. Let say once it comes upto a steady state speed we merely short and un-short the generator Rotor and the motor likewise gets this shorting. I think this is what he used in his box that he had on the pierce arrow experiment. It was merely a pulsed short generator that would intermittently short the generator rotor and prime mover(motor) to enable the unit to continue to run. Tesla probably used a cascade tube setup to increase the frequency at the peek of each ac wave generated by the exciter. and there might have been two cascade setups for each half of the wave like Ismael does (+,-). That is speculation by me but my research into the pierce arrow experiment says there were 12 tubes involved. 6 for each half of the wave.