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FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR

Started by luishan, September 08, 2010, 11:50:07 PM

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konehead

hi Jbigness5

I've wound and tested lots and lots of bifilar coils tested against regular winds over years mostly becasue of that Tesla pancake patent is reason plus sometimes people will say they have expeirment that proves bifilars are superior because they double as capacitors, and/or they have more induction to them, and/or pick up more paper clips and pull in radiant energy and all the reasons. but i am always dissapointed in myself int that I cant see any clear advantage every time maybe its just me but its always a bit more voltage with bifilars, and a bit more amps with regular winds thats all I see...I still dont beleive in my testing though and assume there is soemthg great to bifilar sI havent tapped into yet - there was lots of interest recently in the bifillar-cancaleling-series method then jam it into resonance with caps and LaserSaber had video doing this effect well but as for me the way I see the bifilar's advantage is when they are used as both motor and generator coil at same time - so one half is pirmary, and other half is induced-gernator wind and this other half will also be picking up the backemf spikes too becaeu of the tight induction - so when you take out the generator-half into caps like LC circuit, not only are you pickuyp up all the ambient enrgy around the primary winds, and the backemf spike, but also putting it into the right size caps makes it so the voltage captured into the caps will be way over the primary voltage...then you jsut have to put this captured into caps into a load non-reflective like didoe plug or two stage circuit and you should have accelerating motor if motor, lower draw, a power source output almost if not more than the input...anyways this is what I do with bifilars....I geve this idea long ago to Ismael and also had more winds around the primary-coil too so it becaome large-looking coil (these connectd to the gernator-coil half of bifilars) and also :"pikcup" wind BEHIND the primary too, - Ismael expanded on this and put winds INSIDE the primary, where a core would "normally" be...
Now so far nothing about shorting of these coils but what is nice to short is those PICKUP winds (also connected to that gernator-half of bifilar so its all one big coil around behind indside and within the primary gathering every speck of ambient flux plus the backemf spike too - different things)
OK now with that Tesla-generator patent, with the 6 coils, is sure does look like its bifilar coils in that and funny way he hooks them all up too but I bet the induced/secondary/gernator half of those bifilars get shorted and maybe the motor-half too, right after the motor swtihc closes...
I bet the winds in the gernator patent do what they do as one half is motor other is generator - the 3 adjacent coils areporbably the AC out - one hal fpos and other neg phase - and the 180 degrees opposed pairs are probably the motor-part of it...and I bet those are N-S magnets in rotor too...anyways jsut my two cents worth Iam lousy patent-analyzer -
again what Ismael does that sets him apart from Tesla although Tesla probably figured this out too is that Ismael creates the initial RING of the coil with a short, then he shorts the peaks of the RINGS after that....and 5 times at peak is how many times you can do it in the time slot you will probably have....(actually one primay-ring and 4 peak-rings)
I thought the cascading DC circuits were to fill up caps from a primary DC source - didnt know that you can change frequencies with that too but thats pretty good to know now - maybe Ismael does this for the peak-stuff maybe he has a cascading circuit off eac coil short...I think this is what you thinking too


jbignes5

 Yes there is two distinct events happening in the Bifilar Pancake coil. One wind is separated by the other return strand. Think about this now. Two pairs of wires wound around each other. One goes one way and the other goes the other way. What this does is accelerate the incoming current. Ok here is a simple analogy. You have two lanes of traffic on a highway. The cars are actually the little wooden ones we here in the states make as Boy Scouts. Each car has a magnet on it with one having a north facing forward and the other has a south facing forward. Now push them in there respected lanes and at some point when they get close enough they accelerate towords each other. That is what happens in the pancake bifilar coils. The magnetic field is shorted out in between the winds but it causes an acceleration in the current except if you follow the lines around the spiral in the patent it is always surrounded by opposing winds. Do this, color the top wire red till it connects to the outer lower wire. Leave the outer lower wire the color it is. now assign it a direction of flow from top left to lower right. Also assign a direction of flow for the wire you didn't color and you will see the direction goes opposite the other color is. But since this is an uneven attraction 2 red to one it accelerates the current. The bifilar pancake coil is a charge accelerator And it nets more magnetic field in the core of the coil because of this. the ratio of charge acceleration is 2 to 1.
Also the coils still induce voltage in a higher degree to the adjacent wires to boot. This is probably a very bad translation of what is really happening but it is as close as I can figure.

I think Tesla eventually figured out this in the early 1932 when he did the Pierce arrow experiment. What I find interesting is that he had to have a fan installed on the end of the motor probably to increase air flow due to the frequencies involved. Iron isn't a perfect conductor of the magnetic field and eddies form causing heat build up. This could have been a duel purpose too if the generator/motor was sucking free charges from the air like I think it was doing. It might be that he did in fact use an antenna as well to boost the collections and the motor was the outlet of those charges (heat).

I assume you are correct because in his black box (Ismael) he has 3 transistors or the likes. In Tesla's generator/motor the only magnets are in the Exciter section. The rest is induction based including the prime mover.

I will know soon anyways because I am building the generator/motor and will be taking pictures and movies of the build process.

Right now I have an AC induction motor and the iron ring cut in half for ease of building. I hear the ring should be made out of soft iron wire for optimum efficiency. But for right now I have a split soft iron ring that is all one piece(not segmented) as a test. I'm just waiting on some magnet wire to finish the build and of course the shaft and frame including bearings. I will know soon enough what this entails.

forest

now, the point is how to measure capacitance of bifilar coil ? excellen explanation ,thanks jbignes5

jbignes5

 That is the question I guess. How do we measure the capacitance of the bifilar. I would think it should be like any other capacitor but then some say that there are special rules. Again the Bifilar patent says:

"If now, as shown in Fig. 2, a conductor B be wound parallel with the conductor A and insulated from it, and the end of A be connected with the starting point of B, the aggregate length of the two conductors being such that the assumed number of convolutions or turns is the same, viz., one thousand, then the potential difference between any two adjacent points in A and B will be fifty volts, and as the capacity effect is proportionate to the square of this difference, the energy stored in the coil as a whole will now be two hundred and fifty thousand as great. Following out this principle, I may wind any given coil either in whole or in part, not only in the specific manner herein illustrated, but in a great variety of ways, well-known in the art, so as to secure between adjacent convolutions such potential difference as will give the proper capacity to neutralize the self-induction for any given current that may be employed. Capacity secured in this particular way possesses an additional advantage in that it is evenly distributed, a consideration of the greatest importance in many cases, and the results, both as to efficiency and economy, are the more readily and easily obtained as the size of the coils, the potential difference, or frequency of the currents are increased."

Now If I could only figure this out it could tell us a lot. But I'm too tired to think clearly at the moment. Let me think about this some more.

forest

Quote from: jbignes5 on September 10, 2011, 10:50:34 PM
That is the question I guess. How do we measure the capacitance of the bifilar. I would think it should be like any other capacitor but then some say that there are special rules. Again the Bifilar patent says:

"If now, as shown in Fig. 2, a conductor B be wound parallel with the conductor A and insulated from it, and the end of A be connected with the starting point of B, the aggregate length of the two conductors being such that the assumed number of convolutions or turns is the same, viz., one thousand, then the potential difference between any two adjacent points in A and B will be fifty volts, and as the capacity effect is proportionate to the square of this difference, the energy stored in the coil as a whole will now be two hundred and fifty thousand as great. Following out this principle, I may wind any given coil either in whole or in part, not only in the specific manner herein illustrated, but in a great variety of ways, well-known in the art, so as to secure between adjacent convolutions such potential difference as will give the proper capacity to neutralize the self-induction for any given current that may be employed. Capacity secured in this particular way possesses an additional advantage in that it is evenly distributed, a consideration of the greatest importance in many cases, and the results, both as to efficiency and economy, are the more readily and easily obtained as the size of the coils, the potential difference, or frequency of the currents are increased."

Now If I could only figure this out it could tell us a lot. But I'm too tired to think clearly at the moment. Let me think about this some more.


That means it is variable capacitor depending on applied voltage ! Also seems like superconductor if you know how to connect it !