Electricity Amplification Device - It's so simple !!! (Hatem Magnetic Cogging)

[MileHigh]

A little add-on comment.

So if they are in he business of the business of tapping into the vast pool of venture capital investment money out there - then what is their product?

Their product is "fantasy."  Investors buy into companies like these for the fantasy of getting rich and/or the fantasy of helping to develop a free energy system.   So their product is mental energy induced into the minds and hearts of their investors.  The "investors" are actually the customers for the product - the mental fantasy.  And they pay for it dearly.

It's very similar of course to buying a lottery ticket when the jackpot surpasses 100 million.  You buy not expecting to win, what you are really buying is the idle daydreaming that you can indulge yourself in about being fabulously rich for a week before the draw takes place.

MileHigh

[Gwandau]

MileHigh,

you are probably correct in you guess, even if you are clearly underestimating their description of what is happening.

They say the secondary axis, given rotational torque from the motor axis through the magnetic bearings , is creating an unexplained and anomalous magnetic field oscillation around a second set of very big magnets placed in a special configuration situated at the back part of the axis of the secondary wheel.
           
You seem to think they are harnessing the energy through the two magnetic bearing wheels at the front of the photo, which is not their claim.

You see they are talking about a secondary effect called forth by magnetic oscillations only if the secondary axis is driven indirectly by another axis through magnetic bearings. So you have obviously underestimated the complexity of their claim.

You get the idea? It is not the two magnetic bearing wheels at the front of the picture that creates the field imbalance that they are tapping when nature tries to reestablish balance, it is the rear set of big magnets that allows for their claimed effect to happen. It's as I said just that the secondary axis has to be rotated indirectly through magnetic bearings for this to happen. If they try to drive the second wheel directly with a motor, the effect does not appear. And If I recall correctly, their claimed COP is quite small.

But you might still be correct in your assumption, I won't argue on that. Especially since they never seemed to have been able to realize the grand plans presented 2010. Additionally their hompage is missing.

But in spite of all the scammers out there using magnetism to fool people, I would advise you to be less self confident regarding the possibilities with magnetism, since this is a phenomenon we actually know very little about.

Gwandau

[MileHigh]

Gwandau:

My follow-up comment that I didn't want to mention before because it's sometimes inflammatory is this:  Once you do the analysis for a magnetic interaction like I described, then you can generalize it to virtually any magnetic interaction.  A lot of people don't want to believe this.

So hence you make the argument that "this is a special magnetic interaction" but the problem is that there is no such thing as a special magnetic interaction.  It's all related back to the analysis and the symmetry and harmony inherent in Nature.  There simply is no workaround.  That may sound closed minded to you, but what you may not realize is that your view sounds closed minded to someone like me.  Nature is showing you its balance and harmony everywhere you look, and you unlock the understanding with the application of common sense and mathematics and confirm it with empirical observation.

This thing should be a no-brainer self runner with the addition of a few belts and pulleys!

Quoting you:

<<<<They say the secondary axis, given rotational torque from the motor axis through the magnetic bearings , is creating an unexplained and anomalous magnetic field oscillation around a second set of very big magnets placed in a special configuration situated at the back part of the axis of the secondary wheel.>>>>

That's simply you indicating a willingness to buy into what they are pitching to you.  It's not real and the experiments would prove to you it's not real.  There is no "special configuration" because we are 100% sure that we can generalize the fact that the line integral will clearly indicate a zero net gain in energy when you go through the entire loop and end back where you started.

You can accept this idea that states "the line integral through any closed loop path in 3D space filled with a magnetic field will give you a net zero gain in energy," or not.

I looked at the PESN article from 2010 and someone posted that Sterling first interviewed them in 2006.   So we are a full six years later and I have to assume that the "miracle device" has never been seen.

Ultimately you believe what you want to believe and many people prefer to have that "big lottery ticket buzz" all the time when it comes to free energy.  I am more pragmatic, I will believe it when I see it and I measure it.

MileHigh

[avalon]

Guys,
I think you are both right. MileHigh is right when saying that they have nothing but want some long-term investments for 'final research' and Gwandau is right when saying that their maybe a bit more to that.
I am, actually, convinced that the magnetic interaction (of some sort) will be the answer to (a version of) OU. Will it be them? Probably not but that does not remove the fact that the magnetic interaction is real.
A have seen a lot of companies like that. All of them are looking for investments for the 'final research' which, undoubtedly, will take forever. Still, OU is real and is waiting to be found. We just need to be persistant.

[Magluvin]

This thing should be a no-brainer self runner with the addition of a few belts and pulleys!


MileHigh

Ehh, I wouldnt say that. I did some magnetic gear stuff and if you use many small magnets in close intervals, there is a better more free wheeling connection between the wheels than with a belt or even gears. For physical contact, I would prefer (thin)gears over belts and chains.

But, if the claim is large in OU, then plenty could be wasted on some extra frictions of belts , gears and chains and still have some left over. If.  ;]

All said and done, If the output is just a bit over input, using magnets vs belts would be a good idea. Especially in the longevity department. We wouldnt want our OU device to be out of service because belts are too expensive because oil has skyrocketed, would we? ;]

Also, over a period of time, the losses of a belt or chain would add up. Plus belt replacement.

Remember the Big Trax programmable tank toy?  It used a magnetic clutch connection between the 2 drive motors to keep them in sync when moving forward and back. It also helped sync turn radius positioning, as the motors had optical wheels to measure distance and such according to program, and the mag clutch would lock into place to maintain optics timing positions. Had one as a kid.

When the 2 motors when in opposite directions, the magnetic bond between the magnetic clutch would be mechanically broken and spin quite freely in opposite directions.

These big trax are popular on ebay as many use them as a nice robot base to work with and add Auduinos and other modifications. Some are impressive.

MaGs