Relative Permittivity of Water

[Torana]

CHECK LIST ....THINGS TO DO .

1;standard mic oven transformer is  EARTHED in a 1/2 wave V doubler VILLARD circuit. *EARTHED!!
2;Your BR is the wrong way around ,its POSITIVE EARTHED!
3;SCR will NEVER turn on simply because BR is the WRONG way around
4;SCR anode is connected to BR ANODE!
5;Opto iso H11D1 is open to MOT voltage
6;diode at point A just past V meter is connected the WRONG way around (why is it there?)
7;Diode across the top of SCR ? why ?
8;Your using a SCR = PROBLEM!
9;12 v transformer is connected to BR which is the WRONG way around ,its POSITIVE EARTHED!
10;Same old problem =7490 dividers again..
11;......3 PHASE FROM WHERE ? ? ? ?
12; ....RESISTANCE OF WATER = 78.54 OHMS ? ? ? ? HOW? ? ?
13; MOT  V and I  out put ?
14; BR     V and I RATING ?
15; REMOVE VILLARD CIRCUIT = 1/2 Voltage out put. HALVED
16; Block diode  1200v 10 A ...MOT V ?
17; **ALL OF ABOVE ..X 3 ******.
18;  7812 V reg for ? ? LUCK?

Youve got explaining to do............NOT TO ME  , IM OK THANK YOU .

You need to explain it to the people your influencing, YOUR effectively spending THEIR MONEY by telling them what to do,YOUR WAY .

Stan knew his audience well.

Can you see how people just might benefit from reading this thread ?

Quite some info and it is also *******FAIR WARNING******* 

[Torana]

YOU HAVE TO ASK THE RIGHT QUESTIONS .....(theres some goodies too!)

@ ALL,
The Author of these threads will no doubt welcome any questions and feed back

http://www.hereticalbuilders.com/showthread.php?t=174

http://www.open-source-energy.org/?page_id=11 = RWG RESEARCH; some science added to the work of stan meyers.

Its a personal choice for anyone to want an 8XA , NO where have I said " Dont do it", "STOP!"

If you want to donate money , that is also a personal choice.

****I DO NOT DEAL IN OR FIX 8XA CIRCUITS, I HAVE VERY LITTLE INTEREST IN THIS CIRCUIT.**

GOOD LUCK! ! !

[ramset]

Torana
I have to say ..........

In spite of wanting to reach thru the screen sometimes and give you a little "Squeeze" [lately].

Thank You!!

Chet
RE:
Tony Woodside and WaterEnergy1

I hope your wrong ...............

[h20power]

RE: Table of Tabulation Appendix A
Stanley A. Meyer Appx. A 04
Gasoline vs. "Water as Fuel": 50 hp Internal Combustion Engine (Tab 36)
111 ml/min. gasoline consumption rate (on-road tested) @ 65 mph + 2.5 hydrogen-fuel of
water = 44.4 mil min. water flow rate + 60 sec. =
.740 mI/sec water-fuel consumption rate @ 65 m.p.h.
Water Injection Cycle
3,000 rpm + 60 sec = 50 engine revolutions I see + 2 (Distributor Turn Ratio) = 25 Rotor
revolutions I see x 4 Water-Fuel Injectors = 100 Injection cycle I sec. Therefore,
.740 mil see water-fuel rate + 100 injection cycles I see = .0074
mI or 7.4 J.1l Water Droplet I injection cycle
Voltage Intensifier Circuit
40,000 volts @ 1 ma = 40 watts of applied electrical power
40 watts + 12 volts battery = 3.3 amp/hr. (current) draw capacity
100 amp hr. battery + 3.3 amp/hr. current consumption = 30.3 hr. battery-life without
recharging.
(Tab 37)
(Tab 38)

Hi Torana,
You ask where did I get the 7 LPM correct? I derived it from Meyer's numbers as we don't want it in ml/min. of liquid water we want it in LPM of hho gas at STP correct? All I did was convert the numbers to match the units we all are using, nothing more. You can run the numbers yourself when you get the time or if you want that is for who knows, perhaps I made and error someplace? But that I hope answers your question of where I got the 7 LPM from.

The main point I was trying to make about all of that was that was not enough energy to run the car, so I then went looking for another source of energy being put into the system someplace. That lead me to the Gas Processor for it is there where I found a lot of energy was being added to the system that no one had ever talked about before. For me that find put things into perspective for me for now it did obey the laws of science and it showed to be a very clever way to make use of energy that normally is just thrown away.

The way the Gas Processor works in conjunction with the VIC transformer, Electron Extraction Circuit, and Amp consuming device can be better understood with this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5w0IGuLR3A
As to complete the circuit of the isolated system of the EEC the electrons that got taken away from the oxygen atoms are then redirected to power the amp consuming device. That takes the electrons out of the system so that the oxygen ions remain in an unstable state. From then the reaction between H2O water ultra fine water mist is just the same as oxygen and gasoline in and ultra fine liquid mist as all that was needed for each of the fuels to burn is instability and the Gas Processor with a little help does just that. For then you have unstable oxygen atoms missing electrons reacting with H2O molecules taking the hydrogen atoms away for the normalized oxygen atoms already holding on to the hydrogen atoms. Just like gasoline it needs a spark or heat ignition source to start the reaction. To help the reaction and give more power yield it's a good idea to have some free hydrogen in the atomized water fuel mixture.

Hope that helps some,

See the power just one good question can have?

And on the circuit you copied and pasted it didn't work as planned, so I moved to Tony's circuit and modified it. The objective of the circuit modifications was to get three phase or that is three VIC transformers working out of phase with each other so the voltage never drops to zero.

h2opower

[wfchobby]

Hi lads,
some thoughts:
1: Thankyou all for an informative thread - I am finding it useful to see an open discussion on the various viewpoints.

2: the 555 timer - although it is an old favourite - is there a xtal based later design chip that would have more accurate frequency control?

3: the 7490 Decade and binary counter - this set of 3 in the 9xb drawing - they give the appearance of a frequency reduction set which relies primarily upon the stability of the 555 - was this done because potentiometer adjustment of the 555 may have been a challenge to do. So is there currently a single chip that CAN and would replace all 4 chips for the purpose of reducing chip count, simplyfying circuit design and board design and increasing accuracy of frequency required? In otherwords what design would eliminate the need to use 555 and 7490?

4: To advance the potential usage of the idea of adjustable frequency generator - can a single chip such as the XR2206 replace the 555 and 7490?

5: To advance even further - I know that by the extensive writing on many forums people like to protect their ideas because other low lifes like to steal designs and present them as their own and such perpertrators should be exposed for such and fair enough.

However perhaps that human action has suffocated the electronics design advancement for the average hobbyist who may not have the educated skills in speed areas to advance beyond the 8xa and 9xa drawings and the associated cost of assembling it. Tony this is not a "go "at you - your study and accomplished circuit design manufacture and assembling leads you into a career field and well done - my thoughts are what could WE help design to take the idea further.


? It is also recognised that others who have already built and experimented with the 8xa type designs say - build it to understand what is going on - ok fair enough - however in these times of austerity I would like to promote the idea that the potential cost is possible to reduce by advancing in u chip usage.

What I dont like about the 8xa drawing design is it shows a reliance upon a distributed mains supply to drive it and for it to function through the SCR to provide a "unipolar waveform voltage"that is switched at a timed interval.

Sure that design means people who are not electronics engineers or educated technicians may need to study electronics to work out what a SCR does blah blah blah however to my mind this makes the design less practical and less flexible in its design to be utilised in a vehicles power supply, thus my thoughts are:
- a circuit design needs to be designed and built with the end result of it being used and mounted to a vehicle or other engine - whether it be a motorbike or portable generator or similar - and can the same circuit board be utilised in driving a WFC set and injectors?


What are your petrol prices at the moment? An article in the press a couple of days ago suggested we will not see petrol prices below the $nz 2 per litre again

After discussions with others - I am certain that the forward progress lies in utilising a microprocessor to provide the 2 basic signal functions : 1 the frequency generated pulse (whether it be sine or square wave) and 2: the interrupt gating, with the option of adding more "phases". What I dont yet know is .....how to do it. With the advancement of processors, surely there can be cost reductions in approaching the wfc/injector frequency/pulse designs to reduce the component cost.?

what are your thoughts?