How does Perendev's motor work?

[jimhitt]

Ya gotta love it.
Somebody claims to be able to make a SMOT run forever, and that they have an overunity water heater that they can, "I'm sure" hook up to itself and make it run itself.
But this somebody just can't be "arsed" to actually do it.
I guess they are just too busy drawing pretty pictures to actually close the loop in all their overunity devices. They would rather challenge ME--instead of just DOING IT.

PROVE ME WRONG, jimhitt. Show what you've actually got, not a bunch of numbers and drawings. Show that your device actually does make that much heat, that you can recover it using, heck, a steam engine if it's really that much OU. Win all those prizes.

PROVE ME WRONG.

Otherwise, we'll just have to conclude that there really isn't a working Perendev motor, nor is there a closed-loop SMOT, nor is there an overunity water heater.

(BTW--I never said a unidirectional magnetic pull was impossible. It's easy, I've done it myself many times. What I said was that it was impossible to close the loop and make a self-runner SMOT. If you are going to quote me, you should try to get it right.)

That does sound oddly like a challenge from someone incensed that I would question their all knowing expertise and throwing accusation that I have challenged them rather than prove my point.  Unlike you I don't know that closing the loop is impossible, so there is a chance I'll be able to.  But, I'll not be proving anything to you Koala.  You are obviously quite certain in your opinion, I would not like to be the cause of any upset to you and confuse you with any facts that ruffle your sensitivities. 

Things take time; I am doing this for my own benefit.  I would hate to have it be at your expense.  I am still perfecting the heater to transfer the heat to a water to air heat exchanger.  There is a great deal more to making something from scratch with only hearsay as guidance than proving anything to people.  It's not about you.  It's about sharing information that appears factual while it is being discovered so that others can attempt the same or similar efforts and hopefully benefit as well.  Your certainty with no factual basis is enough for me to realize that I am not writing to you. 

Others will no doubt find my meanderings of interest.  Since I have started investigating actual reported energy devices that are claimed to work in free energy sites and attempting to replicate the simple ones there are always those skeptics who have created nothing who stand on the sidelines and heckle.  For the record, regardless of actual results, MagTec Energy of North Dakota makes commercial diesel powered construction and offshore oil well magnetic heaters they claim are 95% efficient with motors that are at best 35 % efficient.  Neat trick, huh.  But don't let that sway you.  Never mind that the patent office verifies claims in patents before granting them.  Troy Reed and the patent office were unfortunate to not have had your expertise when the patent was granted otherwise they would have realized their calorimetric error.

And of course a minor measurement error is responsible for the undoubted error in my and their BTU calculations.  And of course I should rush to verify my results to calm your sensibilities.  I should prove my statement to the satisfaction of you and your ilk.  People who despise observation as vehemently as you appear to should take up astrology rather than post to forums where others are genuinely interested in finding new ideas to benefit humanity.  Suppression by self serving saints and sages has always impeded human progress.  But no one is foolish enough to buy your blather.  Fearful perhaps, that's why everyone posts their discoveries under pseudonyms.  Should I expect a visit soon from the thought police? 

Skepticism and sarcasm are not effective encouragement, though I am sure you wish to appear well meaning.  Undoubtedly your goal for this forum is to reach a consensus that challenges no conventionally accepted principle.  We should always doubt and question the very goal of this forum to share information on working devices or principles that improve humanities lot.  This could lead to an unfortunate power shift toward freedom instead of slavery.  Self direction instead of listening to self serving fools whose only promise is that you'll not have to think, just serve.  The power elite loves you hero. 

Go back to sleep.  The world is still flat; the sun revolves around the earth.  No one will consider anything I've written here.  My god you have hundreds of posts to my mere handful.  You're the expert.  No one will challenge you or doubt your sincerity.  Your kindness in the face of my obvious inexperience has been overwhelming.  Call the power elite and let them know they are still in charge.  We are lemmings awaiting your permission to think for ourselves.  You have cornered the market on doubt; no one will consider anything except carbon based fuels. 

I do not know if the Perendev motor works, yet.  But I believe that my observations are valuable to those folks who are honestly investigating it.  Certainly they are more valuable than your inveterate skepticism.  I've not heard anyone else suggest the magnet configuration that I shared in this forum.  I'll not apologize for it nor take your criticism as anything other than what it is, an attempt to thwart honest investigation; much as your outrage at my impudence is designed to prevent others sharing information.  I do know that the magnetic disk heater works as other researchers have said it did.  I do not nor does anyone else care if you agree or not.  As for my drawings and numbers I know of no other way that honest men communicate.

Lets see, if I am right the fact that this will run indefinately in one direction should be useful.  Whether it can be looped is an open question.  But work is defined as the ability to move a weight, over distance, in a certain amount of time.  My device is doing work.  I am doing work with magnets with this design.  Something that has been claimed to be impossible.  Let's see we could make a childrens toy, a train that moves on its own.  Perhaps it would even go around a corner.  If not that then a drag strip with little cars, no curves necessary.  But the point is the configuration I have enumerated here will allow you to access work using magnets.  Doesn't that torque you?

You remind me of a quote attributed to Menkin, " A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds."  Fortunately, that is not a weakness that I share with you.

Regards,
Jim

[TinselKoala]

All you have to do to shut me up, jimhitt, is to show a single overunity device that actually functions.
And you are wrong about the patent office having to verify claims.

You think I am suppressing your creativity? You think it is because of people like me, that there aren't any free energy devices out there? You think I am trying to "thwart honest investigation?"
You are wrong about that too.

You should be grateful to me, because I am trying to steer you away from frauds and time wasters, so that you can spend your creative juices on something that might have some chance of being worthwhile. SMOTs and SMOT-like devices fail on first principles; there is no need for complex and error-ridden analyses, nor clever and (not so) new magnet configurations. Do I have to do your homework for you in order to show you that your "new" configuration isn't actually new at all, but has already been tried before without success?

But you obviously don't have to listen to me. Just go buy some more magnets and stack them up, and when you get something that runs itself, I will be happy to apologise to you and eat my hat.

PROVE ME WRONG. You are the one making claims. Prove them. Don't let an Evil Skeptic like me thwart you. Prove me wrong.

[wizardofmars]

For the record, regardless of actual results, MagTec Energy of North Dakota makes commercial diesel powered construction and offshore oil well magnetic heaters they claim are 95% efficient with motors that are at best 35 % efficient.  Neat trick, huh.  But don't let that sway you. 

Is this the device you are referring to?

from http://www.magtecenergy.com/product/electric

Patent Pending: This product is currently patent pending. A patent application is on file at the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office.

This is not a current production model. The Electric version is customizable per specifications, 6 month production lead time is required.

How does a 90% efficient magnetic electric heater indicate overunity? The sole patent application I can find for Magtec (CONTROLLED MAGNETIC HEAT GENERATION, CA #2532507, PCT/US2006/038370) doesn't indicate use of any electric motors.

Never mind that the patent office verifies claims in patents before granting them. 

False. from http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/documents/0600_608_03.htm

With the exception of cases involving perpetual motion, a model is not ordinarily required by the Office to demonstrate the operability of a device.

[jimhitt]

Wizard,

If I suspected you were at all interested I'd respond.  But you and TinselToes are comrades in skepticism and attack to prevent honest inquiry.  As I said earlier; the world is flat.  You are geniuses  Any fool except you knows that electric motors are beyond 35 percent efficient.  MagTec has made only one electric prototype and to my knowledge has not released specifications to it.  Their devices are diesel and gas powered.  While I'd expect most folks to know this, for your sake, I'll state the obvious.  Diesel and gas powered reciprocating engines are 20 to 30 percent efficient, but their claimed heater efficiencies exceed 90%.  Their pending patent's working principal is identical to Reed's.  As for efficiencies, we all know that there is no overunity just measurement errors.  That's why we are all here to be assured we are fools and you are geniuses.  All hail great Wizard.  Now go back to sleep.  God this site is rabidly anti-free energy inquiry.  Ok, Koala and Wizard proove you aren't articulate incompetents.  Without proof we will all just continue to think you are oil company plants, closed minded power elite schills intent on maintaining the old order not investigation. 

Ok everyone repeat silently to youselves the mantra ... there is no overunity only measurement errors....any claim of success must be met with skepticism and derision to prevent anyone else attempting it.  We'll tie their shoe laces with our criticism and castigate their inquiry.  Throw around tired old theories as gospel, thrust and parry.  We'll attack and drive them back to their reptilian brain, they'll be religated to those programmed robotic responses that originate in the amigdula.  We the all knowing all seeing compassionate elite are the experts here, no one must think for themselves, follow the yellow brick road, the great powerful Wizard of Mars will grant us courage, a heart, but no brain.  Oh look I think I see  the flying monkeys!

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[Digjam]

How did this thread go from the Perendev motor to a diesel powered heater?
But you are right there in no Overunity.. There is plenty of free energy, but no overunity.
Simple proof .. Take a gallon bucket and put a gallon of water in it, I don't care how
hard you try, you can only pour a gallon out .
I'm a firm believer that someone will discover more efficient uses of energy, maybe even
a new source of energy, but unity is the best that will be achieved.